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Questions tagged [tetration]

Tetration is iterated exponentiation, just as exponentiation is iterated multiplication. It is the fourth hyperoperation and often produces power towers that evaluate to very large numbers.

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Are these solutions of $2 = x^{x^{x^{\:\cdot^{\:\cdot^{\:\cdot}}}}}$ correct?

Find $x$ in $$ \Large 2 = x^{x^{x^{\:\cdot^{\:\cdot^{\:\cdot}}}}}$$ A trick to solve this is to see that $$\large 2 = x^{x^{x^{\:\cdot^{\:\cdot^{\:\cdot}}}}} \quad\implies\quad 2 = x^{\Big(x^{x^{x^{...
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thoughts about $f(f(x))=e^x$

I was thinking, inspired by mathlinks, precisely from this post, if there exists a continuous real function $f:\mathbb R\to\mathbb R$ such that $$f(f(x))=e^x.$$ However I have not still been able to ...
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half iterate of $x^2+c$

I'm looking for literature on fractional iterates of $x^2+c$, where c>0. For c=0, generating the half iterate is trivial. $$h(h(x))=x^2$$ $$h(x)=x^{\sqrt{2}}$$ The question is, for $c>0,$ and $x&...
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Infinite tetration, convergence radius

I got this problem from my teacher as a optional challenge. I am open about this being a given problem, however it is not homework. The problem is stated as follows. Assume we have an infinite ...
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How to evaluate fractional tetrations?

Recently I've come across 'tetration' in my studies of math, and I've become intrigued how they can be evaluated when the "tetration number" is not whole. For those who do not know, tetrations are the ...
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Is There a Natural Way to Extend Repeated Exponentiation Beyond Integers?

This question has been in my mind since high school. We can get multiplication of natural numbers by repeated addition; equivalently, if we define $f$ recursively by $f(1)=m$ and $f(n+1)=f(n)+m$, ...
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Complex towers: $i^{i^{i^{…}}}$

If $w = z^{z^{z^{...}}}$ converges, we can determine its value by solving $w = z^{w}$, which leads to $w = -W(-\log z))/\log z$. To be specific here, let's use $u^v = \exp(v \log u)$ for complex $u$ ...
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Continuum between addition, multiplication and exponentiation?

I noticed this old post which attempts to find the shades of grey between a linear and log scale where results are between zero and one. However, I was looking for the more general case where we find ...
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Last few digits of $n^{n^{n^{\cdot^{\cdot^{\cdot^n}}}}}$

I want to compute last few digts (as much as possible ) of the following number $$ N:=n^{n^{n^{\cdot^{\cdot^{\cdot^n}}}}}\!\!\!\hspace{5 mm}\mbox{ if there are $k$ many $n$'s in the expression and $...
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Why are addition and multiplication commutative, but not exponentiation?

We know that the addition and multiplication operators are both commutative, and the exponentiation operator is not. My question is why. As background there are plenty of mathematical schemes that ...
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How to calculate $f(x)$ in $f(f(x)) = e^x$?

How would I calculate the power series of $f(x)$ if $f(f(x)) = e^x$? Is there a faster-converging method than power series for fractional iteration/functional square roots?
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Convergence properties of $z^{z^{z^{…}}}$ and is it “chaotic”

$\DeclareMathOperator{\Arg}{Arg}$ Let $z \in \mathbb{C}.$ Let $b = W(-\ln z)$ where $W$ is the Lambert W Function. Define the sequence $a_n$ by $a_0 = z$ and $a_{n+1} = {a_0}^{a_n}$ for $n \geq 1$, ...
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Fixed Point of $x_{n+1}=i^{x_n}$ [duplicate]

For $x \in \Bbb C$, let $f(x)=i^x = \exp(i\pi x)$, where $i^2=-1$. Then find the fixed points for $f$. EDIT: Let for all $n\geq 1$ $$\large a_n=\underbrace{i^{i^{\cdots i}}}_{\text{$n$ times}}$$ My ...
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$n^{th}$ derivative of a tetration function

I stumbled upon this very peculiar function last summer, namely: $f(x)=x^{x^{x^{...^{x}}}}$, where there is a number $n$ of $x$'s in the exponent, I tried to find the derivative for the function and I ...
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What combinatorial quantity the tetration of two natural numbers represents?

Tetration is a generalization of exponentiation in arithmetic and a part of a series of other generalized notions, Hyperoperators. Consider $m\uparrow n$ denotes the tetration of $m$ and $n$. i.e. $$\...
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How can I prove $\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}…}}}}=2$ [duplicate]

How can I prove $$\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}^{\sqrt{2}...}}}}=2$$ I don't know which method can be used for this?
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Operational details (Implementation) of Kneser's method of fractional iteration of function $\exp(x)$?

For a long time (a couple of years) I'm following the Q&A's about "half-iterate of $\exp(x)$" etc. where there exists a $\mathbb C \to \mathbb C$ due to Schröder's method, but also a $\mathbb R \...
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Proving that if $|W(-\ln z)| < 1$ then $z^{z^{z^{z^…}}}$ is convergent

Let $z \in \mathbb{C}$ and let $W$ be the Lambert $W$ function. In this post it is shown that if $|W(-\ln z)| > 1$ then the infinite power tower $z^{z^{z^{z^...}}}$ does not converge, that is $|W(-\...
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Fractional Composite of Functions

I would like to know how I can calculate a fractional composition of a function. Let be $f(x)$, where $x \in R$ and $f(x) \in R$. I now how to do $f(f(x))=f^2(x)$. Now suppose I would like to do $f^{\...
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Infinite powering by $i$ [duplicate]

Find the value of: $i^{i^{i^{i^{i^{i^{....\infty}}}}}}$ Simply infinite powering by i's and the limiting value. Thank you for the help.
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LambertW(k)/k by tetration for natural numbers.

This Mathematica program: ...
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An obvious pattern to $i\uparrow\uparrow n$ that is eluding us all?

Start with $i=\sqrt{-1}$. This will be $a_1$. $a_2$ will be $i^i$. $a_3$ will be $i^{i^{i}}$. $\vdots$ etc. In Knuth up-arrow notation: $$a_n=i\uparrow\uparrow n$$ And, amazingly, you can ...
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A new interesting pattern to $i\uparrow\uparrow n$ that looks cool (and $z\uparrow\uparrow x$ for $z\in\mathbb C,x\in\mathbb R$)

Many of you may recall "An obvious pattern to $i\uparrow\uparrow n$ that is eluding us all?", an old question of mine, and just recently, I saw this new question that poses a simple extension to ...
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Solutions of $a^{a^x}=x$ for fixed $a>0$

I am interested in the equation $a^{a^x}=x$ for some fixed $a>0$. Is there some way to rearrange for $x$ or solve otherwise? What about the nature of the solutions? For which fixed $a>0$ are ...
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Do the last digits of exponential towers really converge to a fixed sequence?

While fooling around with exponential towers I noticed something odd: $$ 3^{3} \equiv 2\underline{7} \mod 100000 $$ $$ 3^{3^{3}} \equiv 849\underline{87} \mod 100000 $$ $$ 3^{3^{3^{3}}} \equiv 39\...
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How to define $A\uparrow B$ with a universal property as well as $A\oplus B$, $A\times B$, $A^B$ in category theory?

In category theory there are definitions for $A\oplus B$, $A\times B$ and $A^B$ via universal properties. I wonder if it is possible to isolate a particular universal property to represent the ...
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Last digits of power towers $7$, $7^7$, $7^{7^7}$, $7^{7^{7^7}}$, … don't change, and generalisation

While playing around with Wolfram Alpha, I noticed that the last four digits of $7^{7^{7^{7^7}}}, 7^{7^{7^{7^{7^7}}}},$ and $7^{7^{7^{7^{7^{7^7}}}}}$were all $2343$. In fact, the number of sevens did ...
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Questions concerning the Integration of Integer Tetration

I've been interested in finding the antiderivative of integer tetration, a function defined as iterative exponentiation. Integer tetration is written as $^n$$x$ where $^1$$x =x$, $^2$$x =x^x$, $^3$$x =...
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Does $\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} \left(r+\frac{1}{n^2}\right)\uparrow \uparrow n=e$ hold?

Does $$\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\left (r+\frac{1}{n^2}\right)\uparrow \uparrow n=e$$ hold ? $r$ is the number $e^{e^{-1}}$ , the largest real number for which the infinite power tower $r\uparrow r\...
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Can tetration 'escape' the complex plane?

Considering subtraction can break out of the natural numbers and into integers, division can break out of integers and into rational numbers, and exponentiation can break out of rational numbers and ...
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Explain $x^{x^{x^{{\cdots}}}} = \,\,3$

$$x^{x^{x^{\cdot^{\cdot^{\cdot}}}}} =\quad 2$$ This equation has the answer $\sqrt{2}$ by taking $\log$ to both side. This answer is correct because I'd proved it by computing the equation repeatedly ...
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Calculating 7^7^7^7^7^7^7 mod 100

What is $$\large 7^{7^{7^{7^{7^{7^7}}}}} \pmod{100}$$ I'm not much of a number theorist and I saw this mentioned on the internet somewhere. Should be doable by hand.
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Prime factor of $2 \uparrow \uparrow 4 + 3\uparrow \uparrow 4$

I checked the prime factors of $$2 \uparrow \uparrow 4 + 3\uparrow \uparrow 4 = 2^{2^{2^2}} + 3^{3^{3^3}}$$ with trial division and found non below $8*10^9$ Nevertheless, the given number has still ...
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A limit related to super-root (tetration inverse).

Recall that tetration ${^n}x$ for $n\in\mathbb N$ is defined recursively: ${^1}x=x,\,{^{n+1}}x=x^{({^n}x)}$. Its inverse function with respect to $x$ is called super-root and denoted $\sqrt[n]y_s$ (...
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Ordinal tetration: The issue of ${}^{\epsilon_0}\omega$

So in the past few months when trying to learn about the properties of the fixed points in ordinals as I move from $0$ to $\epsilon_{\epsilon_0}$ I noticed when moving from $\epsilon_n$ to the next ...
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Derivative of $x^{x^{\cdot^{\cdot}}}$?

The infinite tetration is defined as $$f(x)=x^{x^{\cdot^{\cdot}}}$$ This function is defined for $e^{-e} \leq x \leq e^{e-1}$. (Wikipedia image) Can one determine the derivative of this function?
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Does infinite tetration of negative numbers converge for any value other than -1?

Okay, so I know that for positive values, $^{\infty}x$ converges to $-\frac{W(-\ln x)}{\ln x}$ for $e^{-e}\le x \le e^{\frac1e}$. Above that, it diverges. For positive values less than $e^{-e}$, any ...
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What is the maximum convergent $x$ in the power tower $x^{x^{x^{x\cdots}}}$?

In the power tower $x^{x^{x^{x\cdots}}}$ where there is an infinite stack of $x$'s, what is the maximum convergent number? I know the answer by playing with the form $x^y=y$ and using Mathematica, but ...
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How exactly does Knuth's Up-Arrow notation work?

I've done some research, and found this on Wikipedia. \begin{matrix}a\uparrow b=a^{b}=&\underbrace {a\times a\times \dots \times a} \\&b{\mbox{ copies of }}a\end{matrix} \begin{matrix}a\...
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Tetration limit

For each $n$, define $f_n:\mathbb R^+\rightarrow \mathbb R^+$ by $f_n(x) = \underbrace{x^{x^{x^{...^{x^x}}}}}_n$ Is it true that $\lim\limits_{n \to \infty} f_n(\frac{n+1}{n}) = 1$ ? A few ...
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Solutions of $f(f(z)) = e^z$

It is my impression that if we find a function f(z) that satisfies $$f(f(z)) = e^z $$ there is only one point z that satisfies the relation. This dawned on me when I noticed that the pesky z that ...
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Why is $\underbrace {i^{i^{i^{.^{.^{.^{i}}}}}}}_{n \ times}$ converging? [duplicate]

Introduction: Recently I found out that $i^i \approx 0.20788$ has no imaginary part. I got interested and then wanted to know whether there are other $n$ for which $\underbrace {i^{i^{i^{.^{.^{.^{i}}}...
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What is the value of $i^{i^{i^\ldots}}$? [closed]

What is the value of $i^{i^{i^\ldots}}$? My effort is the following: If $z, \alpha \in \mathbb{C}$ with $z \neq 0$ then we can write $z^{\alpha}=e^{\alpha \log z} = e^{\alpha [ \log |z|+i \text{ Arg ...
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Show that the iterated $\ln^{[n]}$ of tetration(x,n) is nowhere analytic

$$f(x) = \lim_{n\to \infty} \ln^{[n]} x \uparrow\uparrow n$$ The conjecture is that $f(x)$ is monotonic and infinitely differentiable at the real axis, but nowhere analytic; because at each point on ...
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Calculating $a^n\pmod m$ in the general case

It is well known, that $$a^{\phi(m)}\equiv1\pmod m ,$$ if $\gcd(a,m)=1.$ So, $a^n\pmod m$ can be calculated by reducing n modulo $\phi(m)$. But, for the tetration modulo $m$ $$a \uparrow \...
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Calculating the nth super-root when n is greater than 2?

Tetration (literally "4th operator iteration") is iterated exponents, much like how exponents are iterated multiplying. For example, $2$^^$3$ is the same as $2^{2^2}$, which is $4^2$ or 16. This ...
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How to find a function $f(x)$ such that $f(f(x))=\log_ax$?

Is there some method to do this or maybe some method to find a function such that $f(f(x))$ is at least approximately equal to $\log_{a}x$? Maybe the taylor series could be of help. So, we're looking ...
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Is the positive root of the equation $x^{x^x}=2$, $x=1.47668433…$ a transcendental number?

I can prove using the Gelfond–Schneider theorem that the positive root of the equation $x^{x^x}=2$, $x=1.47668433...$ is an irrational number. Is it possible to prove it is transcendental?
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Seems that I just proved $2=4$.

Solving $x^{x^{x^{.^{.^.}}}}=2\Rightarrow x^2=2\Rightarrow x=\sqrt 2$. Solving $x^{x^{x^{.^{.^.}}}}=4\Rightarrow x^4=4\Rightarrow x=\sqrt 2$. Therefore, $\sqrt 2^{\sqrt 2^{\sqrt 2^{.^{.^.}}}}=2$ and ...
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What is the derivative of ${}^xx$

How would one find: $$\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dx}{}^xx?$$ where ${}^ba$ is defined by $${}^ba\stackrel{\mathrm{def}}{=}\underbrace{ a^{a^{\cdot^{\cdot^{\cdot^a}}}}}_{\text{$b$ times}}$$ Work so far ...