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The axiom of choice is a common set-theoretic axiom with many equivalents and consequences. This tag is for questions on where we use it in certain proofs, and how things would work without the assumption of this axiom. Use this tag in tandem with (set-theory).

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Understanding a world without the axiom of choice (AOC)

It is known that there exists a number $x$ in the set $\Bbb R^n$. AOC further assume that for example there exists an element $f=(f_i)_{i\in R}$ in $\Bbb R^\Bbb R$, such that each $f_i\in \Bbb R$. $\...
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Is the axiom of choice needed to show that the initial topology is a topology?

Given any function $f:X \to Y$ and any topology $\tau_Y$ on $Y$, there is an induced topology $\tau_X$ on $X$ (called the initial topology) whose open sets are the inverse images of the open sets in $\...
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Is the axiom of choice used to order the orbits of the truncation function through periodic 2-adic numbers using their Lyndon words?

Let $X$ be the periodic two adic integers. Let $f$ be the truncation function, i.e. $f(x)=(x-1)/2$ for odd numbers and $x/2$ for even. Let $X/f$ be the set of transitive orbits of $f$ in $X$ These ...
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What does it mean to explicity exhibit something (modulo a proof of its existence) which cannot be explicitly exhibited?

I was reading this answer that no free ultrafilter can be exhibited on the natural numbers. I have as a theorem that if the Collatz conjecture is true then the following is a free ultrafilter on the ...
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Axiom of Choice / Lemma 8.4.5 in Terence Tao Analysis I

Lemma 8.4.5: Let $E$ be a non-empty subset of the real line with $\sup (E)<\infty$ (i.e., $E$ is bounded from above). Then there exists a sequence $\left(a_n\right)_{n=1}^{\infty}$ whose elements $...
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Maximal ideal theorem in Heyting Algebras implies choice

The nlab claims that the maximal ideal theorem in Heyting Algebras (i.e. for every proper ideal in a Heyting Algebra, there is a maximal ideal that contains it) implies the axiom of choice. Sadly, it ...
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Does the proof that "a proper ascending chain of subsets of the naturals is countable" necessitate axiom of choice?

Let $(A_x)_{x\in X}$ be a collection of disjoint subsets of $\mathbb{N}$. Using the Axiom of Choice, i.e. assuming there exists a function $f:\{A_x\}_{x\in X}\to \bigcup_{x\in X} A_x$, with $f(A_x)\in ...
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There is no surjective function from a set in the Hartogs number of its power set

I'm trying to prove an equivalent state of the Axiom of Choice : Given two non-empty sets, there is a surjective function from one of them into the other one. If we prove that for any non-empty set $X$...
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Partition of non-well-orderable sets

Call a non-well-orderable set "simple'' if whenever it is partitioned into two pieces, one of them is well-orderable. Does ZF prove that every non-well-orderable set has a simple non-well-...
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Does the Axiom of Choice imply the existence of all the choice functions of a set?

We know that, given a set $X$, there exists at least one choice function $f:X\rightarrow\cup X$ thanks to the Axiom of Choice (AC). Can we conclude that all choice functions for a generic set $X$ ...
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Questions on Jech's proof of the independence of AC from the ordering principle

In the the book The Axiom of Choice section 5.5, Jech presents a proof of the independence of the axiom of choice from the ordering principle (every set can be linearly ordered). There are some ...
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Zorn's lemma on proper class with chains bounded in cardinality

Basically, I'm trying to understand a note in Jacob Lurie's paper On a conjecture of Conway (Illinois Journal of Mathematics 46.2, 2002). Let $X\subseteq Y$ be sets, $\mathbf{U}$ a proper class, and $\...
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Axiom of choice hiding in seemingly trivial proof?

Suppose $$A=A_1\times A_2\space\times\space...\space=\prod_{i\in\mathbb{Z_+}} A_i$$ and $$B=B_1\times B_2\space\times\space...\space=\prod_{i\in\mathbb{Z_+}} B_i\neq\emptyset$$ and that $B\subset A$. ...
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Is the axiom of choice needed for constructing surjection from a subset?

Consider the statement 'Let $X \subseteq Y$. If $X$ is non-empty, then there exists a surjection $f : Y \to X$'. We prove this by showing there is a family of functions $\{f_a\}_{a \in X}$ where $$ ...
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Axiom of Choice and Cauchy completeness [closed]

Theorem: Let $M$ be a Cauchy complete metric space. Suppose we have a sequence of non-empty closed sets $A_1 \supseteq A_2 \supseteq \cdots$ such that $\text{diam}(A_n) \rightarrow 0$. Then $\cap_n ...
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Does ZF prove the existence of a "minimum size" uncountable set of reals?

Clarification prepended below. Essentially the original post follows it. Whether or not CH is true in V, the well ordering theorem lets us prove there exists a set of reals equinumerous with the ...
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Is there in ZF a choice function for the set of all countably infinite subsets of the reals?

Is there in ZF set theory without the axiom of choice, a choice function for the set of all countably infinite subsets of $\mathbb{R}$? Or, is there a model of ZF where there is no choice function for ...
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Choice function on family of fixed size sets -- what is the relationship between these axioms

For each $n$, consider the following property $\text{ACF}_{n}$ (axiom of choice on finite sets of size $n$): For any family of sets $\mathcal{F}$ such that for all $S \in \mathcal{F}$, $|S| = n$, ...
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Confusion about the axiom of choice [duplicate]

In a recent course on logic, while discussing the Cantor-Bernstein theorem, it was mentioned that the seemingly equivalent theorem, but with "injection" replaced with "surjection" ...
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Can $ZF$ construct this function?

Is it possible in the $ZF$ theory to construct a function with domain $\omega_1$ (the set of all countable ordinals) that maps each countable ordinal $\alpha$ to a bijection between $\alpha$ and $\...
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Axiom of Choice is equivalent to existence of a transverse for every equivalence relation on a set proof

Let $R$ be an equivalence relation on a set $X$. $T\subseteq X$ is called a transverse of $R$ if $T$ intersects every equivalence class of $R$ in exactly one point. This is basically a representative ...
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Are weakly compact cardinals preserved in arbitrary inner models?

It's well-known that if a cardinal is weakly compact, then it is weakly compact in $L$. Seems natural to ask if weak-compactness is preserved for arbitrary inner models. Since I've never heard this, I'...
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Internally Inhabited Object Which Is Not Externally Inhabited

What is the simplest example of a topos with an object $X$ which is internally ($X\to \mathbf{1}$ is epi) but not externally (no $\mathbf{1}\to X$) inhabited? I think that for all categories $C$, in ...
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Axiom of countable choice and injective functions [duplicate]

The axiom of countable choice states that for every countable collection $\{S_n\}_{n \in \mathbb{N}}$ of non empty sets there is a function $f : \mathbb{N} \to \bigcup_{n \in \mathbb{N}} S_n$ such ...
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Can amorphous set and AC for finite sets coexist?

A set being amorphous means every subset of it is either finite or cofinite. AC for finite sets means any family of finite sets has a choice function, i.e. if $f:A\to I$ is surjective and for each $i\...
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When can you subtract cardinals? Does $|A|+|C|=|B|+|C|>|C|$ imply $|A|=|B|$ in ZF?

Suppose that $|A|+|C|=|B|+|C|$, and that both sides are strictly larger than $|C|$. Does this imply $|A|=|B|$ in the absence of the axiom of choice? With choice, cardinals are totally ordered, and $\...
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Prove with induction, without using the axiom of countable choice that a sequence exists

The question I was given is as follows: Assume a set $|A|=|\mathbb{N}|$ and that $h:A\rightarrow\mathbb{N}$ is a bijection. Prove that exists a sequence $\left\langle h_{k}|0<k\in\mathbb{N}\right\...
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Creating a sequence of functions using the axiom of choice

Let $A$ be a countable set. Use the axiom of choice to prove the existence of a function sequence $\langle h_{k} \space | \space 1 \leq k \in \mathbb{N} \rangle$ s.t for each $k$, $h_k: \mathbb{N} \...
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How does $\neg$AC lead to a partition of the reals with more parts than reals?

I heard a while ago that the negation of the axiom of choice leads to the existence of a partition of the real numbers, into more partitions then there are real numbers. I found this post which says ...
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Riemann integral on a countable union of Jordan measurable sets without AC

Assume that $E, E_1,E_2, … $ are Jordan measurable sets in $\mathbb{R}^n$, $E_1,…,E_n$ are disjoint, $E=\bigcup_{n=1}^\infty E_n$, a function $f:\mathbb{R}^n\to \mathbb{R}^n$ is Riemann integrable on $...
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Set that cannot be totally ordered without axiom of choice [duplicate]

I'm searching for an easy example of a set that cannot be totally ordered without axiom of choice. I know that amorphous sets are a possible candidate, but it's quite difficult to prove that amorphous ...
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Axiom of choice for lifting infinitary operation

Consider sets $A, B$, where $B$ is equipped with an equivalence relation $R$. The induced pointwise equivalence is denoted $$f \mathrel{\tilde R} g \iff \forall x, f(x) \mathrel{R} g(x). $$ We have a ...
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Exercise 9.1 of Munkres: Axiom of choice

I am trying to solve Exercise 9.1 of Munkres Exercise 9.1. Define an injective map $f:\mathbb{Z}_{+} \rightarrow X^{w}$, where $X = \{0,1\}$ and $X^{w} = \prod_{i=1}^{\infty} X$, without using the ...
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Existence of a canonical bijection between $G/H \times H/K$ and $G/K$

Suppose $G$ is a group and $K<H<G$. All of the constructions of a bijection $G/H \times H/K \to G/K$ that I saw go more or less as follows. Choose a set of representatives ${g_i}$ for $G/H$, ...
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Proving two formulations of the Axiom of Choice are equivalent (existence of choice function vs selecting from pairwise disjoint sets)

I've been trying to prove the following two formulations of the Axiom of Choice are equivalent: Formulation 1: Given a non-empty set $A$ of non-empty sets, there is a function $f$ that maps each $x \...
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$\bigcap\limits_{\varphi\in E^*}\ker(\varphi)$ and the Axiom of Choise

Context. Give a nonzero $K$-vector space $E$, it is known that $\displaystyle \bigcap_{\varphi\in E^*}\ker(\varphi)=0$ under AC. It is also known that, without AC, there are models of ZF in which some ...
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Is choice provable if we add parameter free definability to ZF?

If we add the following $\omega$-inference rule to $\sf ZF$, would that entail the axiom of Choice? $\textbf{Definability: }$ if $\phi_1,\phi_2, \phi_3,...$ are all formulas in which only symbol "...
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Iff propositions where both directions require choice?

Recently, I have been revising a basic course on noncommutative rings and modules over them. One proposition proven early on is all left modules over $R$ are free iff $R$ is a division ring and an ...
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What is the relationship between the Boolean Prime Ideal Theorem and the Countable Axiom of Choice?

The base theory is $\mathsf{ZF}$. The Boolean Prime Ideal Theorem ($\mathsf{BPI}$) states Every Boolean algebra contains a prime ideal. The Countable Axiom of Choice ($\mathsf{AC}^{\omega}$) states ...
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Relation between Axiom of Foundation and $\in$-induction

At the end of an intro to set theory course, we were introduced the Axiom of Foundation and the Principle of $\in$-induction as one of its consequences. I found it easy to prove that, assuming the ...
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Why doesn't transfinite recursion imply dependent axiom of choice

The theorem of transfinite recursion states the following (A quick introduction to basic set Theory). Theorem 4.4 (Transfinite recursion). For every ordinal $\kappa$, set $A$, and map $^3 F: \...
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Infinite finitely splitting tree and AC

The problem is: Using the Axiom of Choice, prove that if $(X,\leq)$ is an infinite finitely splitting tree, then $(X,\leq)$ has an infinite path. Be explicit where you use the Axiom of Choice. I have ...
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Is every complete consistent theory satisfiable in ZF?

It is well-known that the compactness theorem for FOL is equivalent to the Boolean Prime Ideal Theorem over ZF, so it is a weak choice principle. The whole strength of BPIT in the proof of compactness ...
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Is AC invoked in the claim "the product/sum of a sequence of separable metrizable spaces is separable"?

The Claim:The product/sum of a sequence of separable metrizable spaces is separable. Here the sum of a family $((X_i, d_i))_{i\in I}$ of metric spaces is defined (up to isometry) as follows: By ...
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Does a total or well ordering has a countable cofinal

I read a post sometime earlier asking about the cardinality of total ordering on a set, which I forgot about the detail but led me to this question. For a total/well-ordered set $A$ does there exist ...
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Do we need the axiom of choice when extracting a linearly independent spanning set from any spanning set of a separable Hilbert space? [duplicate]

Let $H$ be a separable Hilbert space and $\{v_n\}$ be some countable subset of $H$ such that its linear span is dense in $H$. $\{v_n\}$ need NOT be linearly independent. (Here, linear independence of ...
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Does probability theory need necessarilly Axiom of choice? [duplicate]

I had seen the posting "https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/29381/picking-from-an-uncountable-set-axiom-of-choice?rq=1" but I'm still curious about it especially on the matter of the ...
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Constructing A Choice Function (Munkres Lemma 9.2)

In Munkres, there's a proof for the existence of a choice function. I understood what was going on until the line underlined in red at the bottom. It seems that all the $B'$ partition $\mathcal{B} \...
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Reordering a Sequence of Sets Whose Union is the Whole Set

I have a set $ B $ that can be written as $ B = \cup_{\nu < \lambda} B_{\nu} $ where $ \kappa $ is the cardinality of $ B $, that is uncountable, and $ \vert B_{\nu} \vert < \kappa $ with $ \...
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Does Cantor's paradox require the axiom of choice?

Wikipedia's article about Cantor's paradox claims that it requires that the cardinals are linearly ordered. But can't we show that the cardinality of the universal set is the greatest cardinality ...
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