# Simple solving Skanavi book exercise: $\sqrt{9+\sqrt{80}}+\sqrt{9-\sqrt{80}}$ [closed]

Simple way to solve this exercise

$$x = \sqrt{9+\sqrt{80}}+\sqrt{9-\sqrt{80}}$$

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You are given two nested radicals. To denest each of them, we can try to find two numbers $u,v\in\mathbb {Q}$ such that

\begin{equation*} 9+\sqrt{80}=\left( u+\sqrt{v}\right) ^{3},\qquad 9-\sqrt{80}=\left( u-\sqrt{v }\right) ^{3}.\tag{1} \end{equation*}

The product

\begin{equation*} \left( u+\sqrt{v}\right) \left( u-\sqrt{v}\right) =u^{2}-v=\sqrt{9+\sqrt{ 80}}\sqrt{9-\sqrt{80}}=1 \end{equation*}

implies that

\begin{equation*} v=u^{2}-1, \end{equation*}

and

\begin{equation*} 9+\sqrt{80}=\left( u+\sqrt{u^{2}-1}\right) ^{3}=4u^{3}-3u+\sqrt{\left( u^{2}-1\right) \left( 4u^{2}-1\right) ^{2}}.\tag{2} \end{equation*}

A solution is

\begin{cases} 4u^{3}-3u=9 \\ \left( u^{2}-1\right) \left( 4u^{2}-1\right) ^{2}=80\tag{3} \end{cases}

Since

\begin{eqnarray*} 4u^{3}-3u-9 &=&4\left( u-\frac{3}{2}\right) \left( u^{2}+\frac{3}{2}u+\frac{3 }{2}\right),\\ ( u^{2}-1) ( 4u^{2}-1) ^{2}-80 &=&16u^{6}-24u^{4}+9u^{2}-81 \\ &=&16\left( u+\frac{3}{2}\right) \left( u-\frac{3}{2}\right) \left( u^{2}- \frac{3}{2}u+\frac{3}{2}\right) \left( u^{2}+\frac{3}{2}u+\frac{3}{2}\right) , \end{eqnarray*}

the single solution of $(3)$ is

\begin{equation*} u=\frac{3}{2}.\tag{4} \end{equation*}

Consequently, $v=u^{2}-1=\frac{5}{4}$,

\begin{equation*} 9+\sqrt{80}=\left( \frac{3}{2}+\frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}\right) ^{3},\qquad 9-\sqrt{ 80}=\left( \frac{3}{2}-\frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}\right) ^{3}\tag{5} \end{equation*}

and

\begin{eqnarray*} x &=&\sqrt{9+\sqrt{80}}+\sqrt{9-\sqrt{80}}=\frac{3}{2}+\frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}+\frac{3}{2}-\frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}=3.\tag{6} \end{eqnarray*}

HINT:

$$x^3=9+\sqrt{80}+9-\sqrt{80}+3\sqrt{(9+\sqrt{80})(9-\sqrt{80})}(x)=18+3x$$

$$\iff x^3-3x-18=0$$

of which $x=3$ is a root(by inspection)

Find the other two roots from $$\frac{x^3-3x-18}{x-3}=0$$

• "By inspection", using the rational root theorem. – Alphonse Dec 23 '16 at 14:24

Another way: notice that $$\left(\frac{3\pm\sqrt5}{2}\right)^3=9\pm\sqrt{80}.$$

If you know some algebraic number theory, the fact that $(9+\sqrt{80})(9-\sqrt{80})=1$ says that $9\pm\sqrt{80}=9\pm4\sqrt5$ is an even power of the fundamental unit ${1+\sqrt5\over2}$ in $\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt5)$, i.e. a power of $\left({1+\sqrt5\over2}\right)^2={3+\sqrt5\over2}$. It's clear that expanding $(3+\sqrt5)^n$ will give terms that rapidly exceed $36+16\sqrt5$. In fact you can probably eyeball that $n=2$ is too small but $n=4$ is too big, so the answer must be

$$9\pm\sqrt{80}=\left({3\pm\sqrt5\over2}\right)^3$$

as observed in the answer by O.L.

For a hint:

Note that if $a+b+c=0$ then $a^3+b^3+c^3=3abc$ - can you see how to use that here?

To prove, let $a,b,c$ be the roots of $x^3-px^2+qx-r=0$ so that $p=a+b+c; q=ab+bc+ca; r=abc$ then$$a^3-pa^2+qa-r=0$$$$b^3-pb^2+qb-r=0$$$$c^3-pc^2+qc-r=0$$

Add these equations to obtain:$$(a^3+b^3+c^3)-p(a^2+b^2+c^2)+q(a+b+c)-3r$$And substituting and rearranging we get $$(a^3+b^3+c^3)-3abc=(a+b+c)(a^2+b^2+c^2-ab-bc-ca)$$

To follow the comment about solutions to the cubic, examine the equation $$x^3+3px+q=0$$ and set $x=u+v$ then $$(u+v)^3=3uv(u+v)+u^3+v^3$$ //Note that this is $(u+v)^3-u^3-v^3=3(-u)(-v)(u+v)$ - which is another form of the earlier identity used by lab b in his solution//

and this is equivalent to $$x^3-3uvx-u^3-v^3$$

If we set $p=-uv$ and $q=-u^3-v^3$, we have $u^3, v^3$ as roots of $$y^2+qy-p^3=0$$Using the quadratic formula and $x=u+v$ we recover the form of the roots which is originally given.

Here $p=1, q=-18$ and the roots of the quadratic are $$\frac {18\pm\sqrt{324+-4}}{2}=9\pm \sqrt{80}$$

• Thanks, Mark, but i can't understand how i can solve it with that – ozik.dev Jun 16 '14 at 10:53
• You could try $x=-a$ and the two other components of your initial equation as $b,c$. As this and other answers/comments will show, problems of this kind are closely related to the solution of the general cubic equation. – Mark Bennet Jun 16 '14 at 11:02