How can I write the numbers 5 and 7 as some sequence of operations on three 9s?

I want to make the numbers $1, 2, ..., 9$ using exactly three copies of the number $9$ and the following actions: addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, squaring, taking square roots, and other action.

How can we make the numbers $5$ or $7$?

For example, we can make the below numbers using exactly three copies of the number 9.

• $1=\dfrac{\sqrt 9\times\sqrt9}{9}$
• $2=\dfrac{9+9}{9}$
• $3=\dfrac{\sqrt9\times9}{9}$
• $4=\dfrac{9}{9}+\sqrt9$
• $5=\,?$
• $6=\dfrac{9+9}{\sqrt9}$
• $7=\,?$
• $8=9-\dfrac{9}{9}$
• $9=9+9-9.$

Now, how can we make the numbers 5 and 7?

• Can you be specific about "and other action"? Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 11:06
• Maybe by using the other action except Sum, Subtraction, multiplication, division, Square, root . Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 11:11
• @elham You need to be careful when you say "other action". Is factorial allowed(provided in one answer)? Is logarithm allowed(provided in another answer). What if I define a function $f$, such that $f(9) = 5/3$ and use $f(9) + f(9) + f(9)$? Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 12:57
• Umm 3+2 and 4+3? You could uses the representation of the other numbers to add up to 5 and 7 respectively. In fact, just having a representation of 1 would also be enough. Repeated addition gets you others. Cumbersome? Sure. Solves the problem? Yes :)
– PhD
Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 19:42
• @PhD Note "using exactly three copies of the number 9." The question may be ill-defined in other respects, but it's at least clear in that regard. Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 20:28

$$5=\sqrt{9}! - \frac{9}{9}, \quad 7=\sqrt{9}! + \frac{9}{9}$$

• fuglede and Lucian: Thank you for your answer. Do we can make number 5 or 7 by only using of the actions Sum, Subtraction, multiplication, division, Square or root?(similar numbers 1,2,3,4,6,8,9) Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 13:49
• @elham See the comments on jingyu9575 answer Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 19:01

Since the question did not say the number of actions must be finite,

$${\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{...\sqrt9}}}}=1$$

Then $5=1+1+3$, $7=1+3+3$.

• I love you for this. Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 18:34
• The question did say to use exactly three instances of the number 9, though. Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 18:53
• $\sqrt{\dots \sqrt{9}}+\sqrt{\dots \sqrt{9}}+\sqrt{9}=5$ Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 18:58
• $\sqrt{\dots \sqrt{9}}+\sqrt{9}+\sqrt{9}=7$ Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 18:58
• @Awesome Here $\sqrt{...\sqrt9}=1$ represents ${\lim \limits_{n \to \infty}}\sqrt[2^n]{9}=1$, and if you take ceil, it becomes $\lceil{\lim \limits_{n \to \infty}}\sqrt[2^n]{9}\rceil=\lceil1\rceil=1$. You can't silently change $\lceil{\lim \limits_{n \to \infty}}\sqrt[2^n]{9}\rceil$ to ${\lim \limits_{n \to \infty}}\lceil\sqrt[2^n]{9}\rceil$. Commented Apr 26, 2014 at 5:26

$$5=\log_{\sqrt9}9+\sqrt9,\qquad7=9-\log_{\sqrt9}9.$$

Just do a handstand and read:$$\frac{9}{9}\mp9$$

• excellent!! :-) Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 19:29
• alt+ctrl+down arrow for the lazy ones. Commented Apr 26, 2014 at 4:20
• Not everybody is using Windows... (and probably even needs a specific version of it) Commented Apr 26, 2014 at 19:22
• For the dense like me, the handstand part is extremely important. Commented Apr 27, 2014 at 19:21
• @Rolazaro Azeveires, for the record, it has actually nothing to do with Windows, it is a feature of the Intel graphics adapter software that is usually bundled with Windows computers having a Intel graphics card. Commented Apr 28, 2014 at 23:38

A couple in the classic vein for these, both taking stealthy advantage of being base-10: $\displaystyle 5=\frac{9}{.9+.9}$ and $\displaystyle 7=\frac{9}{.9}-\sqrt{9}$.

Answering the question of the asker in his comment to the answer by fuglede:

Do we can make number 5 or 7 by only using of the actions Sum, Subtraction, multiplication, division, Square or root?

No, it is not possible. Assuming that the square root should only be applied once to each term (and not infinitely often, as proposed in another answer), there is no way of representing the numbers 5.0 and 7.0 under the given constaints.

The following is a list of all terms that result in values between 1.0 and 10.0 that can be obtained with addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, squaring or square root, sorted by the actual result. It was computed with a program simiar to the one in this stackoverflow answer, which computes all combinations of terms with the given operations. The list here only contains the equivalence classes referring to the result (that is, there are many ways of obtaining "1.0" as a result, but only one is listed here).

It can be seen that all whole numbers between 1.0 and 10.0 can be obtained, except for 5.0 and 7.0.

EDIT based on the request in the comments: The list now contains only the whole numbers that can be obtained, and, for 5 and 7, the next smaller/larger number, respectively. The full list can be seen in the previous revision

• $(9 \times (9/(9)^2)) = 1$
• $((9+9)/9) = 2$
• $((9+\sqrt{9})-9) = 3$
• $(\sqrt{9}+(9/9)) = 4$
• $\sqrt{(((9)^2-9)/\sqrt{9})} = 4.898979485566356$
• $\sqrt{(((9)^2-\sqrt{9})/\sqrt{9})} = 5.0990195135927845$
• $(9-(9/\sqrt{9})) = 6$
• $((9)^2/(9+\sqrt{9})) = 6.75$
• $((\sqrt{9}-(\sqrt{9}/9)))^2 = 7.111111111111111$
• $(9-(9/9)) = 8$
• $((9+9)-9) = 9$
• $(9+(9/9)) = 10$
• Nice answer, but why are you including the operation of "squaring"? Commented Apr 26, 2014 at 22:52
• @Goos "Squaring" was explicitly requested by the asker. I also wondered why it should play such a special role, but presumably, with other exponents (particularly with 0.7324...) it might be too boring. Commented Apr 26, 2014 at 23:25
• Aha, carry on then. I had missed that. Commented Apr 26, 2014 at 23:27
• Do you think you could place the list of numerical results in a separate document linked in this answer (perhaps a TeX'ed PDF, since you've already prepared your results in TeX)? Having the list here almost doubles the length of the page, which is especially inconvenient for people reading on mobile devices. Commented Apr 27, 2014 at 4:29
• @DavidZhang I'll try to do this later today - hopefully, it is possible to upload a PDF as an "image" and link it from here, because I'd like to avoid linking to an external file. Otherwise I'll try to figure out whether it can be placed in some small but scrollable text box or so (I still have to get more familiar with the formatting possibilities here) Commented Apr 27, 2014 at 13:08

$5 = \sqrt 9 + \sqrt 9 \ -\ .\bar{9}$

and

$7 = \sqrt 9 + \sqrt 9 \ +\ .\bar{9}$ ?

• I like this one. But it kinda breaks the rule about using only three nines. Commented Apr 25, 2014 at 19:48
• You mean $.\bar{9}$? I don't think $.\bar{9}$ has multiple 9s any more than 9! has multiple 8s. Commented Apr 26, 2014 at 19:59
• Depends on whether you consider ¯ an operation or a notation. Commented Apr 28, 2014 at 8:27

Interestingly, if you allow for natural logarithms and cube roots in your "other action," you can actually express any natural number (including zero) using only three nines. Observe that $$n = -\frac{1}{\ln 9} \ln \left( \frac{\ln \left( \sqrt[3]{\sqrt[3]{\cdots \sqrt[3]{ 9}}}\right)}{\ln 9} \right)$$ where there are $2n$ cube roots applied to the $9$ on the upper-right.

To see why this is true, recall the following logarithm identity: $$\ln a^b = b \ln a.$$ Now, we can simplify:

\begin{align} -\frac{1}{\ln 9} \ln \left( \frac{\ln \left( \sqrt[3]{\sqrt[3]{\cdots \sqrt[3]{ 9}}}\right)}{\ln 9} \right) &= -\frac{1}{\ln 9} \ln \left( \frac{\ln \left( 9^{9^{-n}} \right)}{\ln 9} \right) \\ &= -\frac{1}{\ln 9} \ln \left( \frac{9^{-n} \ln 9}{\ln 9} \right) \\ &= -\frac{1}{\ln 9} \ln 9^{-n} \\[1mm] &= \frac{1}{\ln 9} n \ln 9 \\[2mm] &= n \end{align} You see, all I've done is implicitly introduce a $9^{-n}$ by asking you to take a cube root $2n$ times and cleverly hide it behind a wall of logarithms.

• Hmm "3"s are not allowed, tiny or not... Commented Apr 27, 2014 at 7:55
• The OP explicitly states that square roots are allowed, and those carry an implicit 2. That the cube root function contains a small "3" when written is only an artifact of our notation. Commented Apr 27, 2014 at 8:25
• Haha I know that.. It's just a joke.. like the question itself.. Commented Apr 27, 2014 at 8:26

$$\sqrt{9}+\sqrt{9}\pm \lfloor \sqrt{\sqrt{9}} \rfloor$$

• Why not just ⌊ √(9+9+9) ⌋? To brag for having both answers in one? :) Commented Apr 29, 2014 at 9:35
• To extrapolate, I find $$\lfloor \sqrt{ 9 + 9 + 9} \rfloor$$ and $$\sqrt{9} + \lfloor \sqrt{ 9 + 9 } \rfloor$$ somehow more elegant. Nice idea with the floor function though. Commented Apr 29, 2014 at 9:38

$5 = \dfrac{\ln(9 \times \sqrt{\sqrt{9}})}{\ln(\sqrt{\sqrt{9}})}$

$7 = \dfrac{\ln\left(\dfrac{9}{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{9}}}}\right)}{\ln\left(\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{9}}}\right)}$

$5 = \lfloor\sqrt{\sqrt{999}}\rfloor = \lfloor\sqrt{9+9+9}\rfloor$

$7 = \lceil\ln999\rceil = \lfloor\sqrt{9}\sqrt{9}\ln\ln9\rfloor$

It would be much more interesting if the target was a large number like $123456789$. Who can get it with the shortest $\LaTeX$ formula that only has 3 nines and no other digits?

I just came up with one...

7 = 9P$\sqrt 9$ >> ($\sqrt 9$)!

where the >> is the bitwise shift operator (as in programming languages such as C).

9P$\sqrt 9$ is 9P3, or 504.

($\sqrt 9$)! is 3!, or 6.

And this gives 504 >> 6, or 7.

Try $\lceil\sqrt[9]{9!}\rceil$. If you insist on three 9s try $\lfloor\sqrt[9]{9!}\rfloor+0.\bar 9$.

• You were just playing with the calculator, right? Commented Apr 29, 2014 at 14:02