# Difference between the simplicial nerve and the nerve of a simplicial category

In Jacob Lurie's Higher Topos Theory book, he defines the following notion of a simplicial nerve:

Definition 1.1.5.5. Let $$\mathcal{C}$$ be a simplicial category. The simplicial nerve $$N(\mathcal{C})$$ is the simplicial set described by the formula

$$\text{Hom}_{\mathcal{S}et_{\Delta}}(\Delta^n,N(\mathcal{C}))=\text{Hom}_{\mathcal{C}at_{\Delta}}(\mathfrak{C}[\Delta^n],\mathcal{C}).$$

Lurie then goes on to say (in Warning 1.1.5.7) that if one considers a simplicial category $$\mathcal{C}$$ as an ordinary category by forgetting about all the positive dimensional simplices in the mapping spaces of $$\mathcal{C}$$, then (generally) the simplicial nerve of $$\mathcal{C}$$ will not coincide with the ordinary notion of the nerve of $$\mathcal{C}$$.

Question: Why is this the case? What exactly is the difference between the two?

I mean, it seems clear to me that the difference should lie in the forgetting of simplices in $$\mathcal{C}$$ when considering it as an ordinary category, which would still be present in the case of the simplicial nerve, but I'm just trying to get a better sort of intuitive picture of the differences between the two. Anyone have a nice example that highlights this?

• Again, the difference should lie in the fact that the simplicial nerve is a higher-dimensional construction (as evinced by, for example, Prop. 1.1.5.10, which shows that if the mapping spaces are all Kan complexes, then the simplicial nerve is an $\infty$-category), but I was just wondering if anyone has a nice, simple, specific example that highlights the differences. – Ralph Mellish Feb 6 '14 at 2:05

Take, for example, a simplicial category $\mathcal{C}$ with exactly one object $*$ and $B G$ for its unique simplicial set of morphisms, where $B G$ is the classifying Kan complex for an abelian group $G$. (Composition is induced by the group structure of $G$.) Then:
• As an ordinary category, $\mathcal{C}$ is isomorphic to the terminal category $\mathbb{1}$.
• As a simplicial category, $\mathcal{C}$ is Dwyer–Kan equivalent to $\mathbb{1}$ if and only if $G$ is the trivial group.
Since the simplicial nerve is conservative up to the appropriate notion of weak equivalence, we deduce that the simplicial nerve of $\mathcal{C}$ cannot be contractible.