# If a number is irrational in base 10, is it irrational in other bases?

If a number is irrational in base 10, is it necessarily irrational in all other bases? Or is it possible for a number to be irrational in only a few bases?

• if you allow irrational bases Jan 3, 2014 at 2:23
• FYI: mathworld.wolfram.com/Base.html irrational bases are weird. Jan 3, 2014 at 2:25
• Strange question, because irrationality is not a property depending on bases. I think you mean something slightly different, no? Jan 3, 2014 at 2:29
• Irrationality is independent on the base in which you write a number. The definition of irrational is being the quotient of two integers.
– OR.
Jan 3, 2014 at 2:29
• @ABC ... is not being ... Jan 3, 2014 at 2:32

You don't understand what "irrational" means. You have probably been told that an irrational number is one whose decimal expansion does not repeat. Although this is the case, it is a secondary property. An irrational number is one that cannot be written in the form $$a\over b$$ where $$a$$ and $$b$$ are integers; a rational number is what that can be written in that form.

Now it is the case that a number has a repeating base-10 representation if, and only if, it is a rational number, that is if it can be written as a fraction $$\frac ab$$. An irrational number always has a non-repeating base-10 representation.

And it is also the case that a number has a repeating base-$$n$$ expansion, for any base $$n$$, if, and only if, it is a rational number; an irrational number has a non-repeating representation in every base. This is probably the question you meant to ask.

Suppose a number $$x$$ has a base-$$n$$ expansion that begins with some sequence of digits $$a_1a_2a_3\ldots a_i = a$$, and then follows with $$b_1b_2b_3\ldots b_j = b$$ repeated forever. Then it turns out that $$x$$ is a rational number, and we can even find a fraction for it; the fraction is $$\frac{a}{n^i} + \frac1{n^i}\frac{b}{n^j-1}.$$

For example suppose we are working in base 8, and we want to find a fraction for the number 0.13456456456… where the digits are understood base 8. Then $$i=2$$, and $$a_1a_2 =$$ 13; and $$j=3$$, and $$b_1b_2b_3 =$$ 456. Then we can calculate that \begin{align}x & = \frac{13_{8}}{8^2} + \frac1{8^2}\frac{456_{8}}{8^3-1} \\ & = \frac{11}{64} + \frac1{64}\frac{302}{511} \\ &=\frac{5621}{32704} + \frac{302}{32704} \\ & = \frac{5923}{32704}\end{align}

and since this is a quotient of two integers, it is rational, because that is what a rational number is.

Its base-8 expansion is of course 0.13456456456456…, because that was how we constructed it, but it also repeats when written in any other base; for example in base 10 it is written $$0.181109\ 344422700587084148727984\ 34442270058708414872798\ \ldots.$$

Similarly, the base-10 decimal 0.13456456456… is equal to the rational number $$\frac{13}{10^2} + \frac1{10^2}\frac{456}{10^3-1} = \frac{13443}{99900} = \frac{4481}{33300}.$$

• an irrational number has a non-repeating expansion in every rational base. Jan 3, 2014 at 2:50
• "base $b$" as normally understood means a certain family of representations of the form $x= \sum_{i=-k}^\infty w_ib^{-i}$ where $b$ is an integer greater than 1 and $0\le w_i \lt b$. There are many other ways to represent numbers, but they are not part of the normal meaning of "any base". Noninteger bases are not part of the normal meaning; factorial bases are not part of the normal meaning; symmetric ternary is not part of the normal meaning, etc.
– MJD
Jan 3, 2014 at 3:07
• @qaphla Do you mean that, e.g. there's no repeating $\pi$ in $\pi$ when expressing $\pi$ in $\pi$ base? May 12, 2020 at 9:54
• @Andrei Is it even possible to have a non integer base? The resulting numbers would look very funny... Jun 18, 2021 at 12:10
• " This definition has nothing to do with the base in which the numbers are written, and this is why your question, as you phrased it, does not really make sense." The question makes perfect sense. It is well formed, the words are coherent, and it clearly asks a question. Because you happen to know the answer doesn't make the question dumb or nonsensical. It took you a couple hundred words to write the answer. Tone it down. Jan 18, 2022 at 0:06