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I must prove that exists a sequence $\{C_n\}\subseteq \mathcal{A}$ such that $\lambda(C_n)\in\mathbb{R}$ for all $n\in\mathbb{N}$, $\{\lambda(E_n)\}$ is an increasing sequence and $\lim_{n\to\infty}\lambda(C_n)=\alpha$. First, let us suppose that $\alpha\in [0, +\infty)$.

Then exists $C_n\in\mathcal{A}$ such that $$\alpha-\frac{1}{n}<\lambda(C_n)\le \alpha<\alpha+\frac{1}{n}\quad\forall n\in\mathbb{N},$$ then $\lambda(C_n)\in\mathbb{R}$ for all $n\in\mathbb{N}$ and $\lim_{n\to \infty}\lambda(C_n)=\alpha.$

Let us suppose now that $\alpha=+\infty$, then $$\forall m\in\mathbb{N}\quad\exists C_m\in\mathcal{A}\quad\text{such that}\quad \lambda(C_m)> m.\tag1$$ Let be $M>0$, then exists $m\in\mathbb{N}$ such that $m>M$ and therefore from $(1)$ exists $C_m\in\mathcal{A}$ such that $\lambda(C_m)>M$. Thus we have proved that $$\forall M>0,\quad \lambda(C_n)>M\quad \forall n\ge m$$ that is $\lambda(C_n)\in\mathbb{R}$ for all $n\ge m$ and $\lim_{n\to\infty}\lambda(C_n)=+\infty$

In this case however we have only shown that $\lambda(C_n)\in\mathbb{R}$ definitively. Is it okay too? Is the sequence $\{\lambda(C_n)\}$ increasing?

Could anyone give me some suggestions? Thanks!

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  • $\begingroup$ It's very easy to check $\nu(E_n)$ is real in your setup. That was my point; I didn't know why you were worrying about it. And for the specific problem you posted here, it's not really relevant. You're right I made a mistake about $\nu(C_n)\ge\nu(E_n)$, it's not so immediate. I've deleted my answer $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    Sep 13 at 13:14
  • $\begingroup$ Looking at my own notes on the Hahn decomposition, the proof seems to require not only that $(C_n)_n$ is increasing but also that each $C_n$ is a positive set $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    Sep 13 at 13:15
  • $\begingroup$ @FShrikeDo you have the text: Real analysis Theory of Measure and Integration (3rd Edition) of J.Yeh? If yes, you look at page 219 Theorem 10.14. In any case, I need that $\nu(C_n)\in\mathbb{R}$ $\endgroup$
    – NatMath
    Sep 13 at 13:19
  • $\begingroup$ I didn't study from that text, no. $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    Sep 13 at 13:20

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I don't know what you mean when you talk about $\nu(E_n)\in\Bbb R$ since $\nu$ is by definition not going to attain $+\infty$ and you know $\nu(E_n)$ is nonnegative.

The concept of positive set is very key. Suppose $\alpha<\infty$ for the moment. If $\alpha=0$ this is very trivial (as is the statement of the Hahn decomposition theorem), so take $\alpha>0$. Start by choosing any $E_1$ with $\nu(E_1)>0$ and $\alpha-\nu(E_1)<1$. It's not a super obvious lemma but it is true that $E_1$ must contain a positive subset $C_1$; meaning $\nu(K)\ge0$ for all measurable $K\subseteq C_1$ and $\nu(C_1)>0$. More can be said; we can choose $C_1$ such that $\nu(C_1)\ge\nu(E_1)$. In particular, $0\le\alpha-\nu(C_1)<1$.

Similarly we can find a positive $C_2$ such that $0\le\alpha-\nu(C_2)<1/2$. And for general $n\in\Bbb N$ we can find a positive $C_n$ such that $0\le\alpha-\nu(C_n)<1/n$; now $C'_n:=\bigcup_{j=1}^nC_j$ will suffice.

Because each $C'_n$ is a positive set (by finite induction) and it follows (why?) that $\nu$ is an ordinary measure when restricted to positive subspaces - in particular we have monotonicity - $\nu(C_n)\le\nu(C'_n)$ and $\lim_n\nu(C_n)=\alpha$ thus $\lim_n\nu(C'_n)=\alpha$ too. Of course $(C'_n)_n$ is an increasing sequence.

So we have an increasing sequence of positive sets whose measures converge to $\alpha$. In the $\alpha=\infty$ case you do a similar thing.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thanks for answer, but this doesn't solve the problem. For some previous steps in the theorem it is necessary that $\nu(E_n)\in\mathbb{R}$ for all $n\in\mathbb{N}$. Why $\nu(C_n)\ge \nu(E_n)$? $\nu$ is a signed measure $\endgroup$
    – NatMath
    Sep 13 at 13:04
  • $\begingroup$ Fixed, I think @NatMath $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    Sep 13 at 13:49
  • $\begingroup$ @FShrikeFor greater clarity I have posted the part of the theorem that interests us. $\endgroup$
    – NatMath
    Sep 13 at 16:02

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