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When talking about limit subject, all the time we point functions. But in derivative definition we use $\frac{\Delta Y}{\Delta X}$. Is $\frac{\Delta Y}{\Delta X}$ a kind of function? I have this question about integral formula as well.

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    $\begingroup$ $h\mapsto\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$ is a function, and the derivative of a function $f$ at $x$ is the limit of this function as $h\to0$ $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    May 28 at 13:33
  • $\begingroup$ When we use $\frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}$ it is understood that $y=f(x)$. $\endgroup$
    – John Douma
    May 28 at 14:01
  • $\begingroup$ @FShrike Thanks alot. what about this: $\Sigma f(x)dx$ for Integrals? Is this a function also? $\endgroup$
    – Russel
    May 28 at 14:05

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Yes, $\Delta Y/\Delta X$ is a kind of limit. So is the integral. But there are some nuances that can make this confusing.

$\Delta Y/\Delta X$ is an older, traditional notation. This can be helpful but also confusing. That's why many modern treatments use something like $$\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$$ instead. Here, $f$ is the function $X\mapsto Y$ (so $Y=f(X)$), $h=\Delta X$, and $\Delta Y=f(x+h)-f(x)$. The newer notation makes explicit the function $f$. It also gives us the expression $(f(x+h)-f(x))/h$ to parse.

Strictly speaking, $(f(x+h)-f(x))/h$ is a function of two variables: $x$ and $h$. We could write it $D(x,h)=(f(x+h)-f(x))/h$. It is undefined when $h=0$. If we pick a particular value for $x$ and let $h$ vary, then it becomes a function of just one variable, $h$. People often use the term parameter for something like $x$: a variable whose value we fix, to focus attention on the remaining variables.

Since $(f(x+h)-f(x))/h$ is a function of $h$, but undefined at $h=0$, we can now try to take the limit $\lim_{h\to 0}(f(x+h)-f(x))/h$. If the limit exists, then $f$ is differentiable for that value of $x$. Here, $h$ is a so-called dummy or bound variable in the limit expression: the limit, if it exists, does not depend on $h$, but only the function $f$ and the fixed value $x$. "Unfixing" the value $x$, we then have a function of $x$, namely $f'(x)$.

In a sense, $f$ itself is a variable in the difference quotient. You can't evaluate $(f(x+h)-f(x))/h$ until you know what your function $f$ is. Of course, it's a different kind of variable: not a real number, but a function from real numbers to real numbers. So we can even consider the function $f\mapsto f'$, the "derivative function", whose domain is the collection of all differentiable functions.

With that in mind, look at the integral $$\int_a^b f(x) dx$$ This is a function of $a$, $b$, and $f$. The variable $x$ is again a bound or dummy variable: the integral does not depend on it. In more advanced treatments, you'll often see just $\int f$.

If we fix $a$ and $f$ and just let $b$ vary, we now have a function of one variable, and the famous fundamental theorem of calculus (in one form) says that the derivative of this function is $f$. We can also study $f\mapsto \int f$ as a "function of functions".

The definition of the integral $\int_a^b f(x) dx$ as a limit is considerably more complicated than the definition of the derivative as a limit. The simplest version is the Riemann integral with evenly spaced partitions, and sample points at the right: $$\int_a^b f(x)dx = \lim_{n\to\infty}\sum_{i=1}^n f(x_i)\Delta x$$ where $\Delta x=\frac{b-a}{n}$ and $x_i = a+i\Delta x$. Inside the summation symbol we have an expression which is a function of $f$, $x_i$ and $\Delta x$. But the definitions of these in terms of $a$, $b$, $i$, and $n$, makes this a function of $f$, $a$, $b$, $i$, and $n$. Summing on $i$ turns $i$ into a dummy variable. Taking the limit as $n\to\infty$ leaves us with a function of $f$, $a$, and $b$, the definite integral.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thanks. Is $\Sigma f(x)dx$ which use in integral definition also a kind of function? $\endgroup$
    – Russel
    May 28 at 14:12
  • $\begingroup$ @Russel Riemann integrals are defined as / can be defined as limits of a sequence of real numbers. These are functions $\Bbb N\to\Bbb R$, so, if you like. $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    May 28 at 14:13
  • $\begingroup$ @FShrike Thanks a million. Now I know where I am in calculus. So we use functions all the time we are in derivitive or integral definitions. $\endgroup$
    – Russel
    May 28 at 14:21
  • $\begingroup$ @Russel As long as you know precisely how the limit is defined it doesn’t really matter whether or not you think about things as limits of a sequence of numbers or as limits of a function. If you want to be super formal, most things in maths are encoded with functions and sets anyway $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    May 28 at 14:29
  • $\begingroup$ I've added some more about the integral. $\endgroup$ May 28 at 14:34

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