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Hypotheses:

  • $G$ is a finite group
  • $A$ and $B$ are subgroups if $G$.

Definitions:

  • $AB = \{ ab \mathbin{|} a \in A, b \in B \}$ is the product of $A$ and $B$
  • $A \vee B$ is the join of (subgroup of $G$ generated by) $A$ and $B$
  • $A \wedge B$ is the intersection $A$ and $B$ (a subgroup of $G$)

It is known that $|AB|$ is equal to $|A||B| \mathbin{/} |A \wedge B|$, and that $|AB|$ is less than or equal to $|A \vee B|$.

Question: Is $|AB|$ a divisor of $|A \vee B|$ ? If so, I would like to have a proof. If not, I would like to have a concrete counter-example.

UPDATE (Galois theoretic motivation)

Let $L$ be a normal extension of the rationals, and let $G$ be its Galois group. Let $\alpha$ be some element of $L$, generating a subfield fixed by the subgroup $A$ of $G$. The degree of the minimal polynomial $f(x)$ of $\alpha$ over $Q$ is then $[G : A]$. Consider now the subfield $K$ of $L$ fixed by some subgroup $B$ of $G$. The minimal polynomial $g(x)$ of $\alpha$ over $K$ is a divisor of $f(x)$ and has degree $[B : A \wedge B]$. In particular, the degree of $g(x)$ is a divisor of the degree of $f(x)$, that is, $[B : A \wedge B]$ is a divisor of $[G : A]$.

Now, for any finite group $G$ and subgroups $A$ and $B$ holds: $$ 1 = \frac{|AB||A \wedge B|}{(|A||B|)} \leq \frac{|A \vee B||A \wedge B|}{(|A||B|)} \leq \frac{|G||A \wedge B|}{(|A||B|)} = \frac{[G : A]}{[B : A \wedge B]} $$

The full question would thus be whether all these values are integers or not, considering the case that $G$ is the Galois group of some normal extension of the rationals as well as the case that $G$ is an arbitrary finite group.

What is known:

  • If $G$ is the Galois group of a normal extension of the rationals, then $[G : A] \mathbin{/} [B : A \wedge B]$ is an integer.
  • $|AB|$ is not necessarily a divisor of $|A \vee B|$ (answer to this question)

UPDATE (wrong claim)

I did a mistake: $g(x)$ is a divisor of $f(x)$, but the degree of $g(x)$ is not necessarily a divisor of the degree of $f(x)$. This invalidates the question, I was on a wrong path.

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Consider $G=S_3$, $A=\langle (1\ 2)\rangle$, $B=\langle (1\ 3)\rangle$. Then $A\vee B=\langle (1\ 2),(1\ 3)\rangle=S_3$, and $AB=\{(1),(1\ 2),(1\ 3),(1\ 3\ 2)\}$. So $|AB|=4$, $|A\vee B|=6$. Therefore $|AB|$ is not a divisor of $|A\vee B|$.

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