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$\newcommand{\M}{\mathscr{M}}\newcommand{\I}{\mathcal{I}}\newcommand{\J}{\mathcal{J}}$The context: the following is claimed in J. May and Ponto's "more concise algebraic topology".

We have some model category $\M$ which is generated by arrow classes $\I,\J$. For any $B\in\M$, the undercategory $B/\M$ has a model structure generated by the classes $B/\I,B/\J$ which are defined to be the classes of all arrows in the image $((-)\sqcup B)(\I,\J)$ respectively. Here, $(-)\sqcup B:\M\to B/\M$ is the left adjoint to the forgetful $U:B/\M\to\M$.

May and Ponto want to demonstrate that when $\M$ is compactly or cofibrantly generated, then so is $B/\M$. To do so, they claims that, when $B$ is an $\I,\J$-cell complex, then relative $B/\I,B/\J$-cell complexes in $B/\M$ descend (via $U$) to relative $\I,\J$-cell complexes in $\M$.

I don't see why the assumption that $B$ is a cell complex is needed.


First of all, by some set theoretic shenanigans I can take all my relative cell complexes to be simple. I also only need to show the result for, say, $\J$. A $B/\J$-relative cell complex will look like some transfinite sequence $(X_\alpha)_{\alpha<\lambda}$ where $X_{\alpha+1}$ is obtained from $X_\alpha$ as a pushout (in $B/\M$) of some $C\sqcup B\overset{j\sqcup1}{\longleftarrow}A\sqcup B\to X_\alpha$ (again, a diagram in $B/\M$) where $j:A\to C$ is an arrow in $\J$. This pushout may as well be computed in $\M$, however. Colimits in an over category are computed in $\M$.

But it's easy to check $A\hookrightarrow A\sqcup B\to C\sqcup B,\,A\to C\hookrightarrow C\sqcup B$ defines a pushout square. We can compose pushout squares to find a pushout square $A\to X_{\alpha}\to X_{\alpha+1},A\to C\to X_{\alpha+1}$. Since the left leg of this square is an arrow in $\J$, continuing in this way finds $X_\ast$ as a $\J$-relative cell complex. The "middle man" $B$ can be omitted entirely.

Am I mistaken, or are the authors?

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    $\begingroup$ Actually, when you slice under an object you have an undercategory. $\endgroup$
    – Zhen Lin
    Commented Feb 5, 2023 at 14:41
  • $\begingroup$ @ZhenLin Whoops, I messed up the terminology. I thought that $B$ being over $\mathscr{M}$ entails an overcategory $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    Commented Feb 5, 2023 at 15:17
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    – FShrike
    Commented Feb 7, 2023 at 18:50

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I think both you and the book are right: the forgetful functor does preserve cell complexes, as you show, but the book doesn’t claim otherwise. Specifically, I presume you’re referring to Remark 15.3.7 in May & Ponto:

[…] $\newcommand{\M}{\mathcal{M}}\newcommand{\I}{\mathcal{I}}\newcommand{\J}{\mathcal{J}}$ Provided that $B$ itself is a cell complex, $U : B/\M\to \M$ carries relative cell complexes to relative cell complexes. In this case, we see using the adjunction (15.3.3) that if $\I$ and $\J$ are compact or small, then so are $\I/B$ and $\J/B$. Without the proviso on B, this seems to be false. It follows that if $B$ is both an $\I$-cell complex and a $\J$-cell complex and $\M$ is compactly or cofibrantly generated, then so is $B/\M$.

The phrasing is certainly a bit unclear, but as I read it, the sentence “Without the proviso on $B$, this seems to be false” refers to the compactness/smallness claim, and (from that) the compact/cofibrant generation. So while they do take the assumption on $B$ already when they state that the forgetful functor preserves cell complexes, I don’t think they’re yet claiming the assumption is necessary. And I agree with your argument; I don’t think the assumption is necessary for that claim.


A couple of side notes:

  • The book is by May and Ponto, not just May! Please don’t be sloppy about authors like that — it’s bad practice for many reasons, not least that younger, female, etc. authors tend to be the ones people forget most often.

  • Regarding colimits in undercategories: the general statement is that connected colimits in an undercategory $B/\M$ are computed as in $\M$ — the forgetful functor from the undercategory creates connected colimits.

  • It would have been helpful to give the precise citation to Remark 15.3.7! Giving exact references is always good practice — it’s very little extra work when you’re writing (since you already have the reference open at the page in question) but it’s a significant time-saver for anyone chasing up the reference.

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  • $\begingroup$ $\newcommand{\colim}{\operatorname{colim}}$Right, thanks. We want $B/I$ to be small. For any domain object $A\sqcup B$ I want $\colim(B/M)(A\sqcup B,X_\alpha)\to(B/M)(A\sqcup B,\colim X_\alpha)$ to be an isomorphism. Adjunction means this is so iff. $\colim M(A,X_\alpha)\to M(A,\colim X_\alpha)$ is an isomorphism, which is true because $I$ is small. Where did I need $B$ to be a cell complex? $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    Commented Feb 7, 2023 at 22:27
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    $\begingroup$ And yes, your side notes are well received $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    Commented Feb 7, 2023 at 22:28
  • $\begingroup$ ^ Using the fact that these particular colimits are computable in $M$. I also think May and Ponto made a typo with $I/B,J/B$ being written rather than $B/I,B/J$ since it was already remarked that $I/B,J/B$ are small (independent of any other assumptions) $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    Commented Feb 7, 2023 at 22:41
  • $\begingroup$ (apologies if this feels like "changing the goalposts", my confusion has just now shifted to a different place. I still don't know why we need B to be a cell complex) $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    Commented Feb 9, 2023 at 0:12
  • $\begingroup$ I think the book meant what I initially thought they meant. Earlier in that remark they say: “ forgetful functor U : M/B -> M clearly carries relative cell complexes to relative cell complexes (both defined starting from either I or J). It follows that if I and J are compact or small, then so are I/B and J/B. Therefore, if M is compactly or cofibrantly generated, then so is M/B.” They feel as I do that, given that $U$ takes relative cell complexes to relative cell complexes, it’s immediate that compactness is inherited. The phrasing suggests they believe U does this for M/B but not for B/M $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    Commented Apr 3, 2023 at 11:43
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Note that $B$ itself is a relative cell complex (the initial one) so if relative cell complexes are absolute cell complexes too then $B$ is an absolute cell complex.

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  • $\begingroup$ I am not trying to show $B$ is an absolute cell complex, nor even a relative cell complex $\endgroup$
    – FShrike
    Commented Feb 7, 2023 at 20:29
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    $\begingroup$ I think I misunderstood the question. You’re right, $U$ preserves relative cell complexes regardless of the nature of $B$ $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 7, 2023 at 21:03

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