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We say an ordered set $S$ has the least upper bound property if every nonempty subset of $S_0$ of $S$ that is bounded above has a least upper bound.

Let $A = (-1,1) \subset \mathbb{R}$. Does $A$ have the least upper bound property? Well, let $A_0$ be any nonempty subset of $A$. If $A_0$ is bounded above, then $\exists a \in A$ such that $\forall x \in A_0, x \le a$. Now clearly, $x \le 1$, but $1 \not\in A$. So how do we we deal with this? We assume (or prove) $\mathbb{R}$ has the least upper bound property. So assuming that it does, then every bounded above subset of $\mathbb{R}$ has a least upper bound in $\mathbb{R}$. Clearly $(-1,1)$ is a bounded above subset of $\mathbb{R}$, since $\forall x \in (-1,1), x \le 1$, so it has a least upper bound in $\mathbb{R}$, but not in $A$?

Similarly, why doesn't $(-1,0)\cup(0,1)$ have the least upper bound property?

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  • $\begingroup$ Be careful about the precise statement of a 'least upper bound property"! If a set of real numbers has an upper bound then it has a least upper bound. It does NOT say the least upper bound must be IN that set! $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 13, 2022 at 18:27
  • $\begingroup$ @GeorgeIvey I understand that. The set $(-1,0)\cup(0,1)$ should have a least upper bound $1$. Why doesn't that work? $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 13, 2022 at 18:33
  • $\begingroup$ The least upper bound needs to be in $\mathbb{R}$. $1$ is a real number. But the least upper bound does not need to belong to $(-1,0) \cup (0,1)$. Have you learnt about Cauchy sequences and all that stuff? $\endgroup$
    – Mousedorff
    Commented Aug 13, 2022 at 18:34
  • $\begingroup$ @MordeusMorgenstern No. I'm just wondering why $(-1,1)$ has the property, but why $(-1,0)\cup(0,1)$ doesn't. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 13, 2022 at 18:35
  • $\begingroup$ But $(-1,1)$ doesn't have that property. It has least upper bound $1$ but $1 \notin (-1,1)$. However, $1$ is a real number. $\endgroup$
    – Mousedorff
    Commented Aug 13, 2022 at 18:35

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Considered as a subset of $(-1, 1)$, the set $(-1, 1)$ is not bounded.

The precise statement we are looking for is as follows:

Consider a partially ordered set $(A, \leq)$. A subset $B \subseteq A$ is said to be $(A, \leq)$-bounded from above iff there exists some $a \in A$ such that $\forall b \in B (b \leq a)$. When $(A, \leq)$ is clear from context, we just use the term “bounded from above”.

In particular, we see that $(-1, 1)$ is $(\mathbb{R}, \leq)$-bounded from above, since $1$ is an upper bound. However, $(-1, 1)$ is not $((-1, 1), \leq)$-bounded from above since there is no upper bound of $(-1, 1)$ in $(-1, 1)$.

The least-upper-bound property states that for all $B \subseteq A$, if $B$ is non-empty and $(A, \leq)$-bounded from above, then there is some $a \in A$ which is the least upper bound of $B$. In particular, $\mathbb{R}$ has the least upper bound property. Since $(-1, 1)$ and $\mathbb{R}$ are order-isomorphic, $(-1, 1)$ also has the least upper bound property.

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  • $\begingroup$ Then why doesn't $(-1,0)\cup(0,1)$ have the least upper bound property? $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 13, 2022 at 19:06
  • $\begingroup$ Because $(-1,0)$ does not have a least upper bound within $(-1,0)\cup(0,1)$ but it does have upper bounds like $\frac 12$ $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 13, 2022 at 19:07
  • $\begingroup$ @RossMillikan “$(-1,0)\cup(0,1)$ does have a least upper bound in $\mathbb{R}$, so why can't we use the same argument as we did for $(-1,1)$? $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 13, 2022 at 19:12
  • $\begingroup$ because $(-1,1)$ does not have an upper bound in the set, so it does not need to have a least upper bound. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 13, 2022 at 19:21
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    $\begingroup$ @RossMillikan This is not a valid deduction. $(-1, 0)$ has a least upper bound in $(-1, 0) \cup \{1\}$ even though $0$, its supremum in $\mathbb{R}$, is not in $(-1, 0) \cup \{1\}$. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 14, 2022 at 0:42

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