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Let $R=\Bbb{C}[X,Y]$ and $I=(XY,Y^2)$ an ideal of $R$. I want to compute $\sqrt I$.

I know that $\sqrt I:=\{r\in R: \exists ~n\in \Bbb{N}, r^n\in I\}$. I clearly see that in my case $Y\in \sqrt I$ since I can take $n=2$. In addition we also directly that $X\notin \sqrt I$. But now for the more complicated ones I don't see how to proceed. I mean if I take $P\in R$ then $P^n\in I$ for some $n$ if $P^n=UXY+VY^2$ for some $U,V\in R$. But then I need to find all such $P$ such that there exists an $n$ satisfying the equality before.

I thought about using the second binomial formula since $UXY+VY^2$ looks really familiar but also here I don't see how to proceed.

Is there like a general way how to approach such type of exercises?

Thanks for your help

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Here's a useful piece of terminology: we say that an ideal $I$ is radical if $\sqrt{I}=I$, ie if $x^n\in I$ implies $x\in I$ for all $x$. Note that $\sqrt{I}$ is always radical, for any ideal $I$. (In other words, $\sqrt{\sqrt{I}}=\sqrt{I}$.)

Note that any prime ideal is radical. (Indeed, if $P$ is a prime ideal, you can prove by induction on $n$ that $X^n\in P$ implies $X\in P$ for all $X$, where the base case of $n=2$ follows from the definition of a prime ideal.) Now, you have shown that $\langle Y\rangle\leqslant\sqrt{I}$. On the other hand, $\langle Y\rangle$ is a prime ideal of $R$, since $R/\langle Y\rangle\cong\mathbb{C}[X]$. By the remark above, this means $\langle Y\rangle$ is a radical ideal. Moreover, $I\leqslant\langle Y\rangle$, since $XY\in\langle Y\rangle$ and $Y^2\in\langle Y\rangle$. Thus also $\sqrt{I}\leqslant\sqrt{\langle Y\rangle}=\langle Y\rangle$. (Here we use the general fact that, for any ideal $I,J$, if $I\leqslant J$ then $\sqrt{I}\leqslant\sqrt{J}$.) So $\sqrt{I}=\langle Y\rangle$, and we are done.

In terms of a general approach, here is a piece of advice I would recommend. If you're working with an ideal $I$, and you find an element $a$ such that $a\in\sqrt{I}$, then replace $I$ by $I+\langle a\rangle$ and work from there; often this will simplify the ideal you're working with. You can do this because we have $\sqrt{I+\langle a\rangle}=\sqrt{I}$ for any $a\in\sqrt{I}$ – can you see why this is the case? (Hint: use the two facts that $\sqrt{\sqrt{I}}=\sqrt{I}$ and that $I\leqslant J$ implies $\sqrt{I}\leqslant\sqrt{J}$.) In this case, when $a=Y$, we replace the ideal $I$ with the ideal $\langle Y\rangle$, and then conclude quickly since $\langle Y\rangle$ is prime. So, in a slogan, you don't have to stick with the ideal you start with! You can enlarge it as you find elements in its radical.

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  • $\begingroup$ Sorry what is $y$ in your first paragraph $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 3, 2022 at 19:46
  • $\begingroup$ @Haveaniceday oops, I meant to write these uppercase! give me a second and I will edit $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 3, 2022 at 19:47
  • $\begingroup$ Sorry I somehow don't understand the first paragraph. What does it mean that a prime ideal is radical? So we only took the radical of an ideal. We haven't spoken about radical ideals $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 3, 2022 at 19:49
  • $\begingroup$ @Haveaniceday aha, sorry for using unfamiliar terminology! I have edited to include some more details :) $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 3, 2022 at 19:56
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    $\begingroup$ @Haveaniceday that would indeed be enough – but unfortunately in this case $I$ is not prime! however, what we exploit is that we can "easily" find a prime ideal $P$ such that $I\leqslant P\leqslant\sqrt{I}$. (in this case $P=\langle y\rangle$.) once you've done this, then you know $\sqrt{I}=P$! $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 3, 2022 at 20:02

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