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In the book Linear functional analysis by Rynne and Youngson, Second edition:

THEOREM 1.43.

Suppose that $(M, d)$ is a metric space and $A \subset M$.

(a) If $A$ is compact then it is separable.

(b) If $A$ is separable and $B \subset A$ then $B$ is separable

Is there something wrong in (b) of this theorem? From the statement A and B are just sets, not necessarily metric spaces but, if so, (b) would be wrong. So to proof that B is separable I have to find a countable set that is dense in A. If the proposition is true for $M=A=\mathbb{R}$ and B any subset of A, for instance a singleton $\{x\}$, which is clearly not dense in $\mathbb{R}$, it would read that the singleton set B is separable , but I don't think so, because for that, $B=\{x\}$ should be dense in $A=\mathbb{R}$ So should I assume A and B are metric spaces instead of just sets?

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  • $\begingroup$ No, a singleton is not dense in $\Bbb R$ So what? The theorem isn't saying anything about dense sets, it's talking about separable sets, and a singleton is obviously separable $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 12, 2022 at 11:02
  • $\begingroup$ @David C. Ullrich Is a singleton B separable because it is dense in itself?. I thought the density was supposed to be with respect to A, since we are talking about subsets of A $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 12, 2022 at 11:07
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    $\begingroup$ $\{x\}$ is countable, and $\{x\}$ is a dense subset of $\{x\}$. When we say "$B$ is separable", we mean $B$ has a countable subset that is dense in $B$. $\endgroup$
    – GEdgar
    Commented Jan 12, 2022 at 12:26
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    $\begingroup$ Correct. So proving $B$ is separable is more difficult when $B$ is uncountable. $\endgroup$
    – GEdgar
    Commented Jan 12, 2022 at 12:28
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    $\begingroup$ One thing to keep in mind: in many mathematical categories, topological spaces and metric spaces included, a "sub-object" is assumed to inherit structure from the parent object, even if this is rarely mentioned explicitly. Thus, in any topological space $X$, a subset $A \subset X$ is assumed to inherit the subspace topology from $X$. Also, in any metric space $M$, a subset $A \subset M$ is assumed to inherit the restricted metric from $X$. $\endgroup$
    – Lee Mosher
    Commented Jan 13, 2022 at 14:57

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$A \subseteq M$ so $A$ is automatically treated as a metric space (and hence topological space too). To $B \subseteq A$ this also applies. We also consider $B$ as a metric space.

That the total space $M$ is metric is important because if it were only a topological space and $A,B$ would get the standard subspace topologies, the result would not necessarily hold anymore. But for metric spaces being separable is the same as having a countable base and that property is hereditary, whereas in general separability need not be.

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An example where it doesn't hold for a non-metrizable space would be $(X,T_p)$, where $\; T_p=\{A\subseteq X : p\in A\}\cup\{\emptyset\}$ given a $p\in X$, and $X$ an uncountable set. $(X,T_p)$ is separable because $cl(\{p\})=X$, but considering $X-\{p\}\subseteq X$, $(X-\{p\},T_p|)=(X-\{p\},T_D)$ is not separable becuase if $D\subseteq X-\{p\}$ such that $cl(D)=X-\{p\}$, then $D=X-\{p\}$ which isn't countable.

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