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I want to check if the function $f:\mathbb{N}\times\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}, \ (x,y)\mapsto \frac{3}{2}y-x$ is injective, surjective, bijective.

I have done the following:

  • Let $(x_1, y_1), (x_2,y_2)\in \mathbb{N}\times\mathbb{R}$ with $(x_1, y_1)\neq (x_2,y_2)$. Then we have that $x_1\neq x_2$ or/and $y_1\neq y_2$.

    Therefore we get \begin{equation*}f(x_1, y_1)=\frac{3}{2}y_1-x_1\neq \frac{3}{2}y_2-x_2=f(x_2, y_2)\end{equation*} This means that $f$ is injective. Is this correct?

  • Let $z\in \mathbb{R}$. Let $z=f(x,y)$, now we want to calculate $(x,y)$. \begin{equation*}z=f(x,y)\Rightarrow z=\frac{3}{2}y-x\end{equation*}

    How do we continue?

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    $\begingroup$ $f(1,\frac23)=f(4,\frac83)$ $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 6, 2020 at 1:04
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    $\begingroup$ Your argument for injectivity appears to simply assume that the function is injective. $\endgroup$
    – lulu
    Commented Feb 6, 2020 at 1:05
  • $\begingroup$ You say $\frac 32y_1 - x_1 \ne \frac 32 y_2 - x_2$. Why not? Let $y_1 = 4$ and $y_2=2$ then $\frac 32y_1 - x_1 = 6-x_1$ and $\frac 32y_2 - x_2=3 -x_2$. So if $x_1 = 4$ and $x_2 =1$ we do have $\frac 32y_1 - x_1 = \frac 32y_2 - x_2 = 2$. $\endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Commented Feb 6, 2020 at 2:07
  • $\begingroup$ $x_1\ne x_2$ and $y_1\ne y_2$ does not mean you can't combine them is ways that will have equal results. In fact, if $\frac 32x_1 - y_1 = \frac 32x_2 -y_2$ then $x_1 =\frac 23 y_1 +\frac 32x_1 -y_2$ which is certainly possible. $\endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Commented Feb 6, 2020 at 2:09

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The function is not injective, so it cannot be bijective either. However, the function is surjective.

As J.W. Tanner mentioned, $f(1, 2/3) = f(4, 8/3)$ implies that the function cannot be injective. Your proof is incorrect since you assume injectivity to start with. In order to show injectivity, you need to start with $f(x_1, y_1) = f(x_2, y_2)$ and show that $x_1 = x_2$ and $y_1 = y_2$ hold.

Now, I claim the function $f$ is surjective. In order to show this, we need to show that for every real number $z$, there exists a natural number $x$ and a real number $y$ so that $f(x, y) = z$. There are many ways to do this. I will show you one way.

For any real number $z$, set $x = 1$ and $y = 2(z + 1)/3$ so that we have $x \in \mathbb{N}, y \in \mathbb{R}$. It follows that

$$f(x, y) = \frac{3}{2} \cdot \frac{2}{3}\left(z + 1\right) - 1 = z.$$

Since this holds for any real number $z$, we conclude the function is surjective.

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  • $\begingroup$ Ahh ok! I got it!! With the same reasoning we get the following for $f:(\mathbb{N}\setminus \{0\})\times (\mathbb{N}\setminus \{0\})\rightarrow \mathbb{Q}, \ (x,y)\mapsto \frac{x-y}{y}$. Since $f\left (4, 3\right ) = f\left (8, 6\right )$ the function cannot be injective. Let $z\in \mathbb{Q}$. We want to show that there natural numbers different from 0 $x,y$ s.t. $f(x, y) = z$. For a rational $z$, we set $x = z+1$ and $y = 1$. Then $f(x, y) = \frac{z+1-1}{1}=z$. Since this holds for every rational $z$ gilt, the function is surjective. Is that correct? $\endgroup$
    – Mary Star
    Commented Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39
  • $\begingroup$ Yes, that is correct. @Mary Star $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 14, 2020 at 3:12
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My two cents (mostly to see what other people think of that point of view):

sure the definition of injective is

for every $x_1$ and $x_2$ in the domain of $f$, if $x_1\neq x_2$, then $f(x_1)\neq f(x_2)$

but I would personally recommend using the contraposition

for every $x_1$ and $x_2$ in the domain of $f$, if $f(x_1)=f(x_2)$, then $x_1=x_2$

They are logically equivalent, but equalities are easier to handle than non-equalities (not sure how to call the $\neq$ symbol). Indeed, if $a=b$, then if you perform any operation (that is, a function) on both sides, you obtain a new equality. For example, if $a=b$, then $2a=2b$, $\frac{a}{3}=\frac{b}{3}$, $\ln(a)=\ln(b)$, $\sin(a)=\sin(b)$, $a^2=b^2$,... and more generally $g(a)=g(b)$ for any function $g$. On the contrary, functions don't preserve non-inequalities in general. For example, if $a\neq b$, then you are not guaranteed that $a^2\neq b^2$ or $g(a)\neq g(b)$ in general. This happens precisely when $g$ is injective.

And I believe that any proof that tries to use the first form of the definition will resort to proof by contradiction at some point ("if $x_1\neq x_2$, then (...) so $f(x_1)\neq f(x_2)$. Indeed, if $f(x_1)=f(x_2)$, we would have...(...), so $x_1=x_2$"), so it better to start the proof "the right way" from the start.


Back to your problem, $f(x_1,y_1)=f(x_2,y_1)$ means that

\begin{equation*}\frac{3}{2}y_1-x_1 = \frac{3}{2}y_2-x_2\end{equation*}

Written that way (a linear equation), it is intuitive that there are solutions with $(x_1,y_1)\neq(x_2,y_2)$, for example $(x_1,y_2)=(2,1)$ and $(x_1,y_2)=(2,\frac{8}{3})$.


As for the subjectivity, the function is a linear function (*) from a space of dimension two into a space of dimension 1, so intuitively the function is probably subjective. To see it, you can consider partial function, for example, $g(y)=f(1,y)=\frac{3}{2}y-1$.

Since $g$ is a linear function with nonzero slope, its range is $\mathbb R$ so it is surjective. This also hints that $f$ is not injective: by using all possibilities for the first variable $x$, we are bound to have repetitions of the output.

(*) Not exactly since the first variable is an integer.

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  • $\begingroup$ OK!! So if we have $ f:(\mathbb{N}\setminus \{0\})\times (\mathbb{N}\setminus \{0\})\rightarrow \mathbb{Q}, \ (x,y)\mapsto \frac{x-y}{y}$ since f(4,3)=f(8,6) the map is not injective. To show the surjectivity we tale x=z+1 and y=1,right? $\endgroup$
    – Mary Star
    Commented Feb 6, 2020 at 13:32

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