# Distance between circumcentre and incenter of an isosceles triangle with base angle less than 45°.

Let $$ABC$$ be an isosceles triangle with inradius $$r$$, circumradius $$R$$ and base angle $$\alpha$$.

The question is to find the distance between circumcentre and incenter.

I know that the distance between $$BC$$ and incenter is $$r$$ and the distance between $$BC$$ and circumcentre is $$R\cos {2\alpha}$$.

The answer is $$r + R \cos{ 2\alpha }$$.

For this to be true, circumcentre will be outside of the triangle and the line joining incenter and circumcenter needs to be perpendicular to BC.

But why this needs to be true??

• Actually the circumvented does not need to lie outside the triangle. Choose $\ alpha>45°$ and the triangle is acute, so the circumcenter lies inside the triangle. But there is no paradox because $\cos 2\alpha$ goes negative at the same time. In fact this is why $2\alpha$ gets into the formula in the first place. May 11, 2019 at 11:54
• Why downvote?? Please explain. May 11, 2019 at 14:49
• The comment pinged me but I did not downvote. Good luck getting an explanation from the actual downvoter. In the past I've tried. May 11, 2019 at 15:07

Consider how a triangle might contain its circumcenter (the center of its own circumcircle).

Let $$\triangle ABC$$ be a triangle whose circumcenter is inside the triangle. Consider the side $$AB,$$ which is also a chord of the circumcircle. The chord $$AB$$ divides the circumcircle into two arcs. The shorter arc is on the side of $$AB$$ opposite from the center of the circle, and the longer arc is on the same side as the center.

The vertex $$C$$ also has to be on the same side of $$AB$$ as the center of the circle in order for the center to be inside the triangle. (The entire inside of the triangle is on the same side of $$AB$$ as $$C$$ is.) And since $$C$$ lies on the circle also, the angle $$\angle ACB$$ is an angle inscribed in the circle, and the arc of the circle inside that angle is the arc on the opposite side of $$AB$$ from $$C,$$ that is, the shorter arc between $$A$$ and $$B,$$ which is less than $$180$$ degrees, and so $$\angle ACB$$ is less than $$90$$ degrees. That is, the angle at $$C$$ is acute.

But that's not just a special property of the vertex $$C.$$ We can consider the side $$BC$$ and conclude that $$A$$ is acute, or consider the side $$AC$$ and conclude that $$B$$ is acute. In fact all three conclusions are necessarily true.

The circumcenter of a triangle can be inside the triangle only if all three angles of the triangle are acute.

If one angle of a triangle is a right angle, the triangle is a right triangle and its circumcenter lies on the hypotenuse. This is the only way for the circumcenter to be exactly on a side of the triangle, because if it is exactly on a side then that side is a diameter and the third angle is $$90$$ degrees.

The only other possibility--center not inside, center not exactly on a side--is for the center to be outside the triangle. And that's what must happen if one angle of the triangle is obtuse, because that makes it impossible for either of the other two cases to occur.

If any angle of a triangle is obtuse, the circumcenter is outside the triangle.

If the base angle of an isosceles triangle is less than $$45$$ degrees, then the apex angle is greater than $$90$$ degrees. That is, the apex angle is obtuse. Therefore the circumcenter is outside the triangle.

To understand the fact about the perpendicular lines, notice that an isoceles triangle has mirror symmetry around the line $$AM$$ through the apex $$A$$ and the midpoint $$M$$ of side $$BC.$$ The line $$AM$$ is perpendicular to side $$BC,$$ and you can flip the triangle over the line $$AM$$ and get a triangle occupying the exact same place in the plane. (The locations of $$B$$ and $$C$$ will have been swapped, but both points will still be occupied by a vertex of the triangle.)

Because the triangle is mirror symmetric around $$AM,$$ its incircle and circumcircle also must be mirror symmetric around $$AM.$$ Otherwise you could flip the entire figure (triangle and circles) over the line $$AM$$ and get a new incircle and/or new circumcircle the the same triangle.

In order to have this symmetry, the centers of both circles must be on the line $$AM,$$ which is perpendicular to $$BC.$$ In fact, the apex vertex $$A,$$ the midpoint of the opposite side, the incenter and the circumcenter are all on the same line perpendicular to $$BC.$$

Since $$\angle BCA = 180°-2\alpha$$ we have $$\angle BOA = 360°-4\alpha$$

so $$\angle DOA = 180°-2\alpha \implies \cos (180°-2\alpha) = {x\over R}$$

so $$\color{lightgreen}{x = -R \cos (2\alpha)}$$

So the distance is $$\color{red}{OI} = |r-x|= \Big|r+R\cos (2\alpha)\Big|$$

• This give me insight why circumcenter be inside and still have the same answer but why $\angle ODA$ is right angle ?? May 11, 2019 at 14:10
• @swarnim because the triangle is isosceles, so CD is its line of symmetry (median and angle bisector and altitude), it contains I (because CD is angle bisector) and contains O (because $\angle OCA = \angle OCB = 90^\circ - \alpha$) May 11, 2019 at 14:43