# When does the busy beaver function surpass TREE(n)? [closed]

Since TREE is a computable function the BB function grows faster than it, but TREE seems to grow much more quickly early on, so when does Busy Beaver surpass it?

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• We don't know when it passes it, the largest value we know is $BB(4) = 13$. Furthermore $TREE(n)$ is so unfathomable large it is likely we cannot prove when they cross. – packetpacket Jul 31 '18 at 17:36
• $TREE(n)$ is known to be a computable function. Therefore let $m$ be the number of states in a 2-color Turing machine, such that the Turing machine can compute $TREE(n)$. We now have $BB(m) \geq TREE(m)$ and certainly $BB(m+1) > TREE(m+1)$. So an upper bound to where they cross can be found by finding the minimum number of states required to compute $TREE(n)$ – packetpacket Jul 31 '18 at 17:54
• It would be nice to give a lnik to TREE sequence. – Somos Jul 31 '18 at 18:00
• This question seems somewhat related to MSE question 723286 "Milton Green's lower bounds of the busy beaver function". – Somos Jul 31 '18 at 18:18
• It would seem that we have $$\Sigma(3350)>\operatorname{TREE}(n)$$for reasonably small $n$, thanks to @Somos 's link. A tighter bound may come from $$\Sigma(81,10)>f_{\text{BHO}}(2050)$$ where $\text{BHO}$ is the Bachmann-Howard ordinal, though I'm not familiar with how to convert this to the single argument $\Sigma$. – Simply Beautiful Art Aug 1 '18 at 3:12