If I have the inequality $f \leq g$, does this imply $f'\leq g'$?
The reason I am asking is because I am using this fact to prove a question with Taylor theorem.
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20$\begingroup$ On a somewhat related note, does $a \le b, \,c \le d$ imply $a-c \le b-d\,$? $\endgroup$– dxivMay 24, 2017 at 3:49
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4$\begingroup$ Can you think of a increasing function whose graph is under the x-axis? Yes, you can (just take any bounded increasing function and apply a translation). So, the answer is no because your questions is equivalent to "is a function which attains only non-positive values necessarily non-increasing?" (see my post for details). $\endgroup$– PedroMay 24, 2017 at 4:46
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14$\begingroup$ @AspiringMat: Oh... please prioritize sleep higher in your life :( it does wonders... $\endgroup$– user541686May 24, 2017 at 8:53
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5$\begingroup$ No, but inequalities are preserved under integration over a positive directed interval, for example $x \leq e^x \implies \int_0^x x'{\rm d}x' \leq \int_0^x e^{x'}{\rm d}x'$ or $\frac{x^2}{2} \leq e^x-1$ for $x>0$. $\endgroup$– WintherMay 24, 2017 at 12:17
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6$\begingroup$ @Mehrdad Strange things frighten you. Let's avoid being condescending with people trying to learn. $\endgroup$– thumbtackthiefMay 24, 2017 at 18:25
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Consider $x^2\leq x $ in $[0,1]$. Does that imply that $2x\leq 1$ for all x in $[0,1] $? ( A counterexample ).
Note you can never differentiate with an inequality. Instead, the general idea for checking inequalities with differentiation is that we take $h (x)=f (x)-g (x) $ and then try the derivative test to see whether function is increasing or decreasing. That way, if the inequality $h(a) \geq 0$ holds at a particular point a, we can prove it holds for all $x \geq a$ if $h$ is increasing and for all $x \leq a$ if $h$ is decreasing.
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$\begingroup$ Thank you. It's 5 am here and I was really confused. Don't even know why i asked this question in the first place $\endgroup$ May 24, 2017 at 8:51
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Your question is equivalent to is a function which attains only non-positive values necessarily non-increasing? So, the answer is no because there exist increasing functions whose graphs are under the $x$-axis:
(As a general remark, the rates of change of a function has "nothing" to do with the image of the function in the sense that: (i) given a set $X$, we can find functions having $X$ as image and different rates of change; (ii) given a function, there are other functions having the same rates of change and different images.)
Details: As differentiation is linear, the question
Does $f\leq g$ imply $f'\leq g'$?
is the same as
Does $h\leq 0$ imply $h'\leq 0$?
which can be rewritten as
Is a function which attains only non-positive values necessarily non-increasing?
From this point of view, the answer becomes clear: No because there are (a lot of) increasing functions whose graphs are under the $x$-axis (take any bounded increasing function and apply a translation). Probably, the simplest example is a line segment (see picture above).
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1$\begingroup$ +1 But I wouldn't say that it has nothing to do with the image of the function though $\endgroup$– AntMay 24, 2017 at 7:56
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$\begingroup$ I would go with $0 \leq h$ and $0 \leq h'$, and a decreasing positive function. The first quadrant is the most usual... :-) $\endgroup$– Pablo HMay 24, 2017 at 13:23
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$\begingroup$ @Ant I've edited that sentence to make clear my point. $\endgroup$– PedroMay 24, 2017 at 13:42
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$\begingroup$ @PabloH The setting you suggest is indeed good. It is simpler in the sense that we do not even need to think in translations. My setting is a consequence of the habit of isolating things at left when dealing with algebraic expressions. $\endgroup$– PedroMay 24, 2017 at 13:58
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$\begingroup$ It took me a second, but I thought of a function that converges at a limit as an example of a n always-increasing function that never achieves a positive value. $\endgroup$– DeadMGMay 24, 2017 at 22:34
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Take two functions whose derivative have whatever inequality you wish (ie., $f^\prime > g^\prime$ or vice versa). Then just add or subtract a constant to one of the functions to make it larger or smaller than the other.
In short, you can very easily create pairs of functions whose values obey one inequality relation and their derivatives hold another. Or the same.
answered May 24, 2017 at 4:49