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I need some help how to solve these equations for $x$. I think I have to use logarithms but still not sure how to do it and would be really grateful if someone could explain me.

$x^2 \cdot 2^{x + 1} +2 ^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 2} = x^2 \cdot 2^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 4} + 2^{x - 1}$

$(x^2 - 7x + 5)^{x^2-2x-15} = 1$

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  • $\begingroup$ I have the feeling that any solution would be using non-elementary functions. Where did these even come from? $\endgroup$
    – JMoravitz
    Oct 19, 2016 at 19:01

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For the first on, put like terms together.

$x^2 \cdot 2^{x + 1} +2 ^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 2} = x^2 \cdot 2^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 4} + 2^{x - 1}$

$x^2 \cdot 2^{x + 1}-x^2 \cdot 2^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 4} =2^{x - 1}-2 ^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 2}$

$x^2(2^{x + 1}-2^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 4})= 2^{x - 1}-2 ^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 2}$

If $2^{x + 1}-2^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 4}= 0$

Then $2^{x+1} = 2^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 4}$

$\log_2 2^{x+1} = \log_2 2^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 4}$

$x + 1 = |x -3| +4$

$x-3 = |x-3|$ which simply means $x \ge 3$.

But

$x^2(2^{x + 1}-2^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 4})= 0 = 2^{x - 1}-2 ^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 2}$

So $2^{x - 1}= 2 ^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 2}$

$\log_2 2^{x - 1}= \log_2 2 ^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 2}$

$x - 1 = |x - 3| + 2$

$x - 3 = |x-3|$ so ... again $x \ge 3$ will be a solution.

So thats one set of solutions $x \in [3,\infty)$.

If $2^{x + 1}-2^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 4}\ne 0$ then $x < 3$ though then $|x - 3| = 3 -x$ and we have:

$x^2(2^{x + 1}-2^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 4})= 2^{x - 1}-2 ^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 2}$

$x^2(2^{x + 1}-2^{3-x + 4})= 2^{x - 1}-2 ^{3-x + 2}$

$x^2(2^{x+1} - 2^{7-x}) = 2^{x-1}-2^{5-x}$

$x^2 = \frac{2^{x-1}-2^{5-x}}{2^{x+1} - 2^{7-x}}$

$x^2 = \frac{2^{x-1}-2^{5-x}}{2^2(2^{x-1} - 2^{5-x})}$

$x^2 = \frac{1}{2^2}=1/4$

$x = \pm \frac 12$

So $x \in \{\pm 1/4\} \cup [3, \infty)$.

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Number 2 is .... a little clever.

If $b^c = 1$ then either

i) $c = 0$

ii) $b = 1$

iii) $b = -1$ and $c$ is an "even rational" (a rational number that when expressed as a ratio of two co-prime integers has a numerator divisible by two).

if i) $x^2 - 2x - 15 = 0$

$(x -5)(x+3) = 0$

so $x = 5$ or $x =- 3$

and we have $(x^2 - 7x + 5)^{x^2-2x-15} = (25 - 35 + 5)^{25-10 - 15} = (-5)^0 = 1$

or $(x^2 - 7x + 5)^{x^2-2x-15} = (9 + 21 + 5)^{9 + 6 - 15} = 35^0 = 1$

if ii)$x^2 - 7x + 5 = 1$

$x^2 - 7x + 4= 0$

$x = \frac{7\pm\sqrt{49 - 16}}{2}= \frac{7\pm\sqrt{33}}{2}$

if iii) $x^2 - 7x +5 = -1$

$x^2 -7x +6 = 0$

$(x - 1)(x - 6) = 0$

$x = 1, 6$

$1^2-2*1-15= -16$ is even and $6^2 - 2*6 - 15$ is odd.

So $(x^2 - 7x + 5)^{x^2-2x-15} = (1 - 7 + 5)^{1-2 - 15} = (-1)^{-16} = \frac 1{1^{16}} = 1$

[But $(x^2 - 7x + 5)^{x^2-2x-15} = (36 - 42 + 5)^{36 - 12 -15} = (-1)^{9} = -1 \ne 1$ ]

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All this is presuming we are only considering real numbers.

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  • $\begingroup$ What was wrong with my edit? $\endgroup$ Oct 19, 2016 at 21:23
  • $\begingroup$ Not sure how we could conclude that we can't get solutions in the form of $e^{2n\pi i}$ $\endgroup$ Oct 19, 2016 at 22:18
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    $\begingroup$ I realize this is agrevating but I assume with questions at this level, it is assumed we are working with real numbers. I think it's the job of the more experienced mathematicians to recognize from context what the novices assume rather than to insist the novice live up to their standards. $\endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Oct 19, 2016 at 23:40
  • $\begingroup$ iii) implies that $-1^\frac{1}{2}$ is something else than $-1^\frac{2}{4}$ $\endgroup$
    – Etoplay
    Oct 20, 2016 at 9:35
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    $\begingroup$ 2/4 is not in proper numerator denominator form. In proper form it does not have an even numerator. $\endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Oct 20, 2016 at 16:59
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Hint: if

\begin{equation*} (x^2 - 7x + 5)^{\color{blue}{x^2 - 2x - 15}} = 1, \end{equation*}

what do you think $\color{blue}{x^2 - 2x - 15}$ is equal to?

This is merely one of the three possibilities. For all of them, please check out fleablood's answer.

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    $\begingroup$ It could be anything if $x^2-7x +5 = 1$..... $\endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Oct 19, 2016 at 20:42
  • $\begingroup$ Absolutely correct. $\endgroup$ Oct 19, 2016 at 20:52
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    $\begingroup$ If x^2-2x-15 is anything then x^2-7x+5 must be... If x^2-2x-15 is an even integer then x^2-7x+5 must be... If x^2-2x-15 = 0 then x^2-7x+5 must be... $\endgroup$
    – gnasher729
    Oct 20, 2016 at 9:03
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    $\begingroup$ This is a very good hint. If $bottom^{top} = 1$ there are a few ways this can happen. i) there is something top can be that will always make this true. ii) there is something bottom can be that will always make this true iii) there is something bottom can be that will often make this true iv) if we are accepting complex numbers.... well, that opens a bit more maybe... $\endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Oct 20, 2016 at 17:09
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    $\begingroup$ Although we need to watch out for $0^0$.... which happens if $x^2 - 7x + 5 = x^2 - 2x - 15 = 0$ which is ... never. $\endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Oct 20, 2016 at 17:14
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1) Making $2^{x-1}=a$ and $2^{|x-3|+2}=b$ you have $$4ax^2+b=4bx^2+a\iff(4x^2-1)(a-b)=0$$ This gives $x=\frac 12$ and $x\ge3$

2) You have two independent possibilities $$x^2-7x+5=1\\x^2-2x-15=0$$

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$$x^2 \cdot 2^{x + 1} +2 ^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 2} = x^2 \cdot 2^{\lvert x - 3\rvert + 4} + 2^{x - 1}$$

Let us distinguish two cases, $x\ge3$ and $x\le3$, to get rid of the absolute value.

  1. $x\ge3$:

$$x^2 \cdot 2^{x + 1} +2 ^{x-1} = x^2 \cdot 2^{x+1} + 2^{x - 1},$$ which is an identity !

  1. $x\le3$:

$$x^2 \cdot 2^{x + 1} +2 ^{5-x} = x^2 \cdot 2^{7-x} + 2^{x - 1}$$ which we rewrite $$\left(2x^2-\frac12\right)2^x=2^6\left(2x^2-\frac12\right)2^{-x},$$

so that $$x=\pm\frac12\text{ or }x=3.$$


$$(x^2 - 7x + 5)^{x^2-2x-15} = 1$$

$a^b=1$ when $a=1$ or $a=-1\land\text{even}(b)$ or $b=0$, so

$$a=0\to x=\frac{7\pm\sqrt33}2,$$ $$a=-1\to x=1\text{ or 6},$$ where $6$ must be rejected as it yields an odd exponent, and $$b=0\to x=-3,5.$$

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For the second one you should check when $$x^2-2x-15=0$$ or $$x^2-7x+5=\pm 1$$ Also for $x^2-7x+5=- 1$ you have to chekc whether $x^2-2x-15$ is even

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For the first one write $a=x^2,b=2^{x-1},c={|x-3|+2}$ then you get
$$4ab+c=4ac+b$$ or $$b(4a-1)=c(4a-1)$$ Which means $4x^2=1$ or $2^{x-1}=2^{|x-3|+2}$

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  • $\begingroup$ But this way I still don't get the exact values of x? $\endgroup$
    – SuperMan
    Oct 19, 2016 at 19:13
  • $\begingroup$ So from the first one $x=\sqrt{\frac{1}{4}}$. From second one $x-1=|x-3|+2$ or $x-3=|x-3|$, so this one satisfy all $x-3\geq 0$ $\endgroup$ Oct 19, 2016 at 19:15

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