# Was there some prior idea that inspired both Fermat & Descartes to invent coordinates?

It seems incredible to me that both Descartes & Fermat could have both simultaneously discovered such a novel & significant idea, without there being some single prior idea that they both could have taken inspiration from. Has there been any research done on this, or can someone expliciate the histrorical record further?

Wikipedia does state that Nicole Oresme in the 14C made constructions similar to coordinates. This is well before either Descartes or Fermat. It doesn't state whether they were influenced by him.

Alternatively, could they have been influenced by developments in Cartography or Map-making?

• Maybe they inspired from the game of chess ;) Jun 13, 2012 at 16:53
• @N.S.:Nice idea, it would be my preferred possibiity! Jun 14, 2012 at 3:06
• @N.S.: I just thought of both chess and Go as using coordinates, with Go using just two integers, to record games. I also suggested that someone may have noticed that distance between two squares could be calculated using such coordinates (in the case of Go) and I posted this to hsm stackexchange. Jan 23, 2023 at 10:09
• @releseabe It seems that the game of GO first arrived in Europe in 1880, Descartes & Fermat died long before that. Jan 23, 2023 at 14:43
• @N.S.: I do not mean necessarily that Descartes would have been inspired by Go but rather Chinese mathematicians (or anywhere else Go might have been) may have been using co-ordinates inspired by the game and someone might have thought of using them for geometry, Go itself is actually very geometrical. Jan 23, 2023 at 16:04

They didn't invent coordinates as such -- a coordinate system was used by Ptolemy in his Geography more than 1000 years earlier.

The major novelty in the work of Descartes and his contemporaries was not the use of coordinates to describe a single point, but the idea that a single algebraic relation between the two coordinates can describe an entire family of points -- i.e., a curve.

This idea must have been "in the air" at the time, and the final ingredient of it that had just arrived seems to have been improvements in algebraic notation, with letters standing for known and unknown quantities alike, which made manipulations of equations, formulas and recipes for calculation easy enough to be useful for analyzing geometric situations. Only with good notation in place did it become natural to think of an algebraic relation as a "thing" among other similar things that could be an "object of thought" rather than just some particular canned sequence of actions.

The improved notation had been in development for at least a couple of centuries, with algebraists gradually freeing themselves from the classical/medieval tradition of describing everything in prose, figuring out the proper laws for manipulating different powers of the unknown, and inventing convenient notation to go with it. Descartes himself was among the first to use recognizably modern algebraic notation (and is credited with the idea of letters from the beginning of the alphabet (a, b, c, ...) for constants and letters from the end of the alphabet (x, y, z, ...) for unknowns).

• Wikipedia has that Descarte/Fermat using only a single axis (which I find quite hard to imagine), with later workers adding the second axis. How did Ptolemys coordinate compare with the modern cartesian grid. Was it an exact analogue? Jun 14, 2012 at 3:10
• I've just checked wikipedia, and ptolemys coordinates were cartographical ( ie latitude/longitude), and mentioned in Geographia. It doesn't mention Geometry? Jun 14, 2012 at 3:39
• @MoziburUllah, oops that was a braino on my part. Of course it was Geography. Jun 14, 2012 at 10:47
• Perhaps this is a false analogy, but I am reminded of how people believe $E=mc^2$ was Einstein's famous discovery when it was really just a consequence of his actual discovery. Do you feel this is a fair analogy?
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Jun 14, 2012 at 11:15
• @Limitless: To some extent, yes; the truth is usually much more complex than what is presented as such by the popular mind. It does still present an aspect of the truth; in your example, the equivalence of mass & energy, is not just a consequence, but an very significant consequence. Jun 15, 2012 at 0:01

To complement Henning Makholm's fine answer, I would add that it is not entirely accurate to say that "The improved notation had been in development for at least a couple of centuries, with algebraists gradually freeing themselves from the classical/medieval tradition of describing everything in prose." Here the key name is Vieta. His work introduced the idea of symbolic mathematics in a systematic way, and constituted the transition to the modern period as far as symbolism is concerned. Both Fermat and Descartes relied on this.