I am in the process of trying to learn algebraic geometry via schemes and am wondering if there are simple motivating examples of why you would want to consider these structures.

I think my biggest issue is the following: I understand (and really like) the idea of passing from a space to functions on a space. In passing from $k^n$ to $R:=k[x_1,\ldots,x_n]$, we may recover the points by looking at the maximal ideas of $R$. But why consider $\operatorname{Spec} R$ instead of $\operatorname{MaxSpec} R$? Why is it helpful to have non-closed points that don't have an analog to points in $k^n$? On a wikipedia article, it mentioned that the Italian school used a (vague) notion of a generic point to prove things. Is there a (relatively) simple example where we can see the utility of non-closed points?


See my answer here for a brief discussion of how points that are closed in one optic (rational solutions to a Diophantine equation, which are closed points on the variety over $\mathbb Q$ attached to the Diophantine equation) become non-closed in another optic (when we clear denominators and think of the Diophantine equation as defining a scheme over $\mathbb Z$).

In terms of rings (and connecting to Qiaochu's answer), under the natural map $\mathbb Z[x_1,...,x_n] \to \mathbb Q[x_1,...,x_n]$, the preimage of maximal ideals are prime, but not maximal.

These examples may give impression that non-closed points are most important in arithmetic situations, but actually that is not the case. The ring $\mathbb C[t]$ behaves much like $\mathbb Z$, and so one can have the same discussion with $\mathbb Z$ and $\mathbb Q$ replaced by $\mathbb C[t]$ and $\mathbb C(t)$. Why would one do this?

Well, suppose you have an equation (like $y^2 = x^3 + t$) which you want to study, where you think of $t$ as a parameter. To study the generic behaviour of this equation, you can think of it as a variety over $\mathbb C(t)$. But suppose you want to study the geometry for one particular value of $t_0$ of $t$. Then you need to pass from $\mathbb C(t)$ to $\mathbb C[t]$, so that you can apply the homomorphism $\mathbb C[t] \to \mathbb C$ given by $t \mapsto t_0$ (specialization at $t_0$). This is completely analogous to the situation considered in my linked answer, of taking integral solutions to a a Diophantine equation and then reducing them mod $p$.

What is the upshot? Basically, any serious study of varieties in families (whether arithmetic families, i.e. schemes over $\mathbb Z$, or geometric families, i.e. parameterized families of varieties) requires scheme-theoretic techniques and the consideration of non-closed points.

(Of course, serious such studies were made by the Italian geometers, by Lefschetz, by Igusa, by Shimura, and by many others before Grothendieck's invention of schemes, but the whole point of schemes is to clarify what came before and to give a precise and workable theory that encompasses all of the contexts considered in the "old days", and is also more systematic and more powerful than the older techniques.)


Here's a simple intersection theoretic example.

Take the intersection of the line $y=0$ and the parabola $y=x^2$. Classically, the intersection is a point. But note that there is more to the intersection than just the point; there is the fact that the two curves are tangent at that point. Scheme-theoretically, the intersection is $\operatorname{Spec} k[x,y]/(y,y-x^2) \cong \operatorname{Spec} k[x]/(x^2)$. This reflects the tangency. If the intersection were transverse, then the scheme-theoretic intersection would have been just $\operatorname{Spec} k$.

Higher order tangencies can be seen in the scheme-theoretic intersection as well; for example, repeat this exercise with $y=x^3$ in place of $y=x^2$.

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    $\begingroup$ $\operatorname{Spec} k[x]/(x^2)$ has only one point. But this point is "thicker" than $\operatorname{Spec} k$ as it remembers a germ of the tangent line. This is a good example, but for a different thing. It illustrates the usefulness of nilpotents rather than generic points. $\endgroup$ – KotelKanim Nov 12 '13 at 15:35
  • $\begingroup$ @KotelKanim Thanks for the correction, I've fixed it (nearly 4 years later...). You are completely right. $\endgroup$ – Kevin H. Lin Apr 21 '14 at 18:25

I think I can at least convince you that it's a good idea to work with non-reduced rings, which aren't really captured by their maximal ideals. The idea is that you get more functors. Just as $\text{Hom}(-, \mathbb{C})$ is the functor which sends a finitely-generated domain over $\mathbb{C}$ to its set of $\mathbb{C}$-points, it turns out that $\text{Hom}(-, \mathbb{C}[x]/x^2)$ sends a finitely-generated domain over $\mathbb{C}$ to its set of $\mathbb{C}$-points together with a choice of tangent vector. In fact this is one way to define the Zariski tangent space. So, on the scheme side, it's a good idea to study morphisms from $\text{Spec } \mathbb{C}[x]/x^2$ to your scheme, and you can't do this if you identify $\mathbb{C}[x]/x^2$ with its set of $\mathbb{C}$-points. (You can't even do this if you identify $\mathbb{C}[x]/x^2$ with its prime ideals; you really need the entire structure sheaf.)

(A really nice application: an algebraic definition of the Lie algebra of an algebraic group.)


To start off, the discussion at Sbseminar has comments from lots of people who actually know algebraic geometry, and if anything I say contradicts something they say, please trust them and not me.

One reason is that you lose the functoriality of $Spec$ if you stick to $MaxSpec$: the inverse image of a maximal ideal is not necessarily maximal. Nevertheless, if you stick to schemes of finite type over a field, this is true (it's basically a version of the Nullstellensatz). In particular, in Serre's FAC paper he defines a "variety" by gluing together regular affine algebraic sets in the sense of classical algebraic geometry. But this is less general. One natural example of a scheme which is not of finite type over a field is simply $Spec \mathbb{Z}$. Then given a scheme $X$ over this (well, admittedly every scheme $X$ is a scheme over $Spec \mathbb{Z}$ in a canonical way), the fibers at the non-closed point of $Spec \mathbb{Z}$ is still interesting and basically amounts to studying polynomial equations over $\mathbb{Q}$ (when $X \to \mathbb{Z}$ is of finite type).

As a (simple) example of how generic points can be used, one can prove that a coherent sheaf on a noetherian integral scheme is free on a dense open subset. Why? Because it must be free at the generic point (since the local ring there is a field), and it is a general fact that two coherent sheaves whose stalks are isomorphic are isomorphic in a neighborhood. (This is true actually for sheaves of finite presentation over a ringed space.)

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    $\begingroup$ In addition to the sbseminar post, see this post by Anton at MO: mathoverflow.net/questions/731/… $\endgroup$ – Kevin H. Lin Jul 30 '10 at 23:52
  • $\begingroup$ Thanks for the links, Akhil and Kevin. They are very helpful. The fact that Spec is adjoint to the global sections functor seems like a really good reason for Spec over MSpec. @Akhil: I'm going to have to get further in my study of schemes before I attempt to digest your last paragraph. $\endgroup$ – Eric O. Korman Jul 31 '10 at 0:03
  • $\begingroup$ isn't there only one non-closed point of $\text{Spec}(\mathbb{Z})$, namely $(0)$, and the fiber of $X\rightarrow\text{Spec}(\mathbb{Z})$ at $(0)$ amounts to studying things over $\mathbb{Q}$? $\endgroup$ – Zev Chonoles Apr 21 '11 at 10:35
  • $\begingroup$ @Zev: Indeed. Thanks for the correction! $\endgroup$ – Akhil Mathew May 29 '11 at 16:32

A very late answer, my apologies if I am not contributing anything that the very wonderful answers above have already contributed.

Generic points $\Leftrightarrow$ irreducible subsets... as long as we are doing classical geometry, there really is no major difference between using $\text{Spec}$ and using $\text{MaxSpec}$ and talking about things "being true outside a closed subset." And this is just an incredibly useful thing to do; for example, if we want to do an induction by taking hyperplane sections, we can talk about a randomly-chosen hyperplane as a generic hyperplane, and this does not really cause any issues.

In fact, in Mumford's Algebraic Geometry I: Complex Projective Varieties, Mumford literally defines a generic point as a point with coefficients transcendentally independent from the coordinates of our equations, and thinking in this way causes zero hinderance as long we are classical.

The real power of generic points is as an extremely convenient language for all these things, which in particular, is infinitely cleaner once we are not working over a field like $\mathbb{C}$ which is absurdly large. For example, let us say that we want to prove that a variety of dimension $n$ is generically smooth. The point is that we can define "smooth at a point" in a way that makes sense for "normal points" and generic points, so we can literally check that the generic point is smooth by plugging in equations. If one thinks about this, we are basically "formally taking a point with transcendental coefficients."


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