This is clear to me thinking about integration like area under a curve, but how can it be proven? (assuming $f$ is continuous and using the fundamental theorem of calculus, and $\forall x\in[a,b]$)
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4$\begingroup$ For any partition $P$ you must have $L(f,P) \ge 0$, hence the integral must be non negative. Neither continuity nor fundamental theorem of calculus are necessary here. Only integrability of $f$. $\endgroup$– copper.hatMar 17, 2015 at 18:44
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$\begingroup$ thanks. Is it possible to somehow use the fundamental theorem of calculus for this? $\endgroup$– user42Mar 17, 2015 at 18:47
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$\begingroup$ Define $F(x)=\int_a^x f(t) dt$. What is $F(a)$? What is $F'$? Once you know $F'$, can you see that $F$ is increasing? Given $F(a)$ and that $F$ is increasing, can you see that $F(x)=\int_a^x f(t) dt\geq 0.$ $\endgroup$– Randy EMar 17, 2015 at 18:48
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$\begingroup$ Got it,thank you. But what is $F(0)$? $\endgroup$– user42Mar 17, 2015 at 18:50
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$\begingroup$ I guess I should say "non-decreasing" rather than "increasing", in the event that $f(x)=0$ over some interval of positive length in the domain of $f.$ $\endgroup$– Randy EMar 17, 2015 at 18:54
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Assume that $x\ge a$ in the integral $\int_a^x f(t)dt$
Let $f(x)$ be the derivative of a function $F(x)$
Since $f(x)\ge0$, the function $F(x)$ must be weakly increasing, and since $x\ge a$ we have $F(x)\ge F(a)$
We know from the fundamental theorem of calculus that $$ \int_a^x f(t)\,\mathrm dt=F(x)-F(a) $$ Can you see it now?
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$\begingroup$ If $\int_a^x fdt=0$ for all $x\in[a,b]$, would this imply $f(x)=0$? $\endgroup$– user42Mar 17, 2015 at 19:02
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$\begingroup$ If $f$ is continuous, yes. But not in general; take a function which is zero except at a single point. $\endgroup$– NealMar 17, 2015 at 19:06
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$\begingroup$ @user42 My proof works if $f(x)\ge0$ for all $x$ in the interval used as limits on the integral. $\endgroup$ Mar 17, 2015 at 19:08
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You know that $$f\geq g\implies \int f\geq \int g,$$ therefore, $$f\geq 0\implies \int f\geq \int 0=0$$
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$\begingroup$ I'm not the downvoter and your answer is correct and the simplest way of proving it, however the question stated
using the fundamental theorem of calculus
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$\begingroup$ It's correct in the sense that it obviously answer the problem, but - in addition to what Kristoffer said - it's also obvious that such a problem wouldn't come up after this result was proven. $\endgroup$– Git GudMar 17, 2015 at 19:00
Simply use $\int_{a}^{x} (f-0)dt \geq0$. Now split the integrals and take the second one to the RHS
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3$\begingroup$ How do you assume that $\int_{a}^{x} (f-0)dt \geq0$? $\endgroup$ Mar 17, 2015 at 18:51