67
$\begingroup$

The title says it all. I often heard people say something like memory is unimportant in doing mathematics. However, when I tried to solve mathematical problems, I often used known theorems whose proofs I forgot.

EDIT Some of you may think that using theorems whose proofs one has forgotten does not seem to support importance of memory. My point is that it is not only useful, but often necessary to remember theorems(not their proofs) to solve mathematical problems. For example, you can't solve many problems of finite groups without using Sylow's theorem.

$\endgroup$
16
  • 8
    $\begingroup$ One can substitute lack of memory by other skills to some degree, but remembering stuff is of course important. How do you understand something if you don't rmember the definitions of the terms involved? $\endgroup$
    – Michael Greinecker
    Nov 17, 2012 at 1:52
  • 42
    $\begingroup$ @DonAntonio, I don't know what $4\cdot 7$ is, honestly. I do know that $2\cdot7$ is $14$, from childhood, and then I double that. Every single time. I hope you are wrong! $\endgroup$
    – Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
    Nov 17, 2012 at 2:01
  • 15
    $\begingroup$ Bad, bad boy @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez. A mí todavía me tocó estudiar las tablas de multiplicar de memoria, hasta la del $\,10\,$ . I hope you're not having problems with more advanced stuff, like $\,9\cdot 6\,$ or $\,1/2 + 1/5\,$, say. $\endgroup$
    – DonAntonio
    Nov 17, 2012 at 2:08
  • 4
    $\begingroup$ Some problems in Math. heavily rely on observing patterns. I assume that you need good memory to relate patterns and recognize them when you encounter them. You definitely need good memory to get good grades too! $\endgroup$
    – NoChance
    Nov 17, 2012 at 3:35
  • 4
    $\begingroup$ A true Platonist will have a definite answer on this question. He would argue that anything we learn is in fact remembered i.e. something we have already "seen" or "memorized". He would hence conclude that memory is not only important for doing mathematics, it is the only thing needed for mathematics. $\endgroup$
    – user17762
    Nov 17, 2012 at 18:03

10 Answers 10

Reset to default
49
+50
$\begingroup$

I think all of us at some point will invoke theorems whose proofs we have forgotten. I would argue that memory is important for mathematics in the sense that it is important for practically every other field.

Certainly having good memory will not hurt you and several mathematical giants were undoubted aided by their prodigous memories (notable examples that come to mind include Euler, Poincaré and Von Neumann). But as is always said for mathematics, it is more important to understand and particularly the connections between subjects.

I don't think many people can hope to retain absolutely everything they learned, even for undergraduate mathematics. Instead what is important is the ability to rapidly recover what you have lost. If you learn a subject and subsequently forget about it, then you should be able to relearn the subject much faster on a second exposure. In fact, I would argue that it is these repeated re-exposures which ultimately contribute to your mastery of a subject.

What's more important than memory would be the ability to efficiently find relevant literature. If you forget a theorem, but through your understanding and experience subsequently find it in some book or journal then you may have lost a bit of time, but ultimately you have your result.

Should you be discouraged from going into mathematics if you have a poor memory? Well that depends. If you fail to remember your own name then I would indeed say that mathematics will be a struggle to you. So will life in general. But if your memory is average, or even slightly below-average, then I would say that you will do just fine. Mathematics is ultimately not as memory-intense as subjects such as history or medicine.

P.S. In this question here, there is an interesting comment by Bill Cook about this subject. Of course I didn't remember the comment word for word, but rather just remembering the content roughly was enough for me to recover it. The ability to find is as equally as important as the ability to retain.

$\endgroup$
6
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ Although this is a very subjective question, and the details of this answer are quite right and well-stated, I downvoted because I disagree with the overall point that memory is no more or less important in mathematics than in other fields. No other field eternalizes and entombs its history to the same extent: the accomplishments of Euclid will never be questioned and overturned by new findings in the same way that those of Newton were by Einstein. Philosophy and science are as relevant as the season. From another perspective, mathematics demands precision and memory is its ultimate source. $\endgroup$
    – Dan Brumleve
    Nov 17, 2012 at 5:33
  • 5
    $\begingroup$ @Dan I agree that this is a subjective topic. However, I don't think many physicists will agree with you that the findings of Newton were overturned by Einstein. A field builds upon itself and new truths are uncovered from the old. And Euclid was questioned, much as Newton was questioned. It is from these questions that we have General Relativity and Hyperbolic geometry. There would be no Einstein without Newton much as there would be no Hyperbolic geometry without Euclid. $\endgroup$
    – EuYu
    Nov 17, 2012 at 6:52
  • 3
    $\begingroup$ Furthermore, I believe that the preservation of mathematical ideas has nothing to do with the memory of the mathematicians, but rather it is the nature of the subject. In the words of Hardy: "A mathematician, like a painter or a poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas." $\endgroup$
    – EuYu
    Nov 17, 2012 at 6:53
  • $\begingroup$ You are quite right although I think a valid distinction can still be made in that analogy: one can say that Euclid was quite right given his assumptions but not likewise that Newton was quite right given his physical reality as the latter is unchanging. The quote is great and I see what you mean but it also subverts the thesis that mathematics requires only a common type of memory, because memory is essential to the preservation and continuation and development of ideas. For example, there is a lot of math, might the body of work grow to the extent that no one person can advance the field? $\endgroup$
    – Dan Brumleve
    Nov 17, 2012 at 8:10
  • 2
    $\begingroup$ Just to make sure I'm not being misunderstood I'll concede that what we choose to remember is much more important than how much we can remember. $\endgroup$
    – Dan Brumleve
    Nov 17, 2012 at 8:16
18
$\begingroup$

I feel it is very unhealthy to say that memory is unimportant to doing mathematics and it is even more dangerous to equate memory with rote-learning. Memory has an important place in understanding of a subject. Understanding is on a basic level refactoring your knowledge and creating helpful associations. Finally, you have to remember those associations. You might internalize those associations and hence in the process, remember them without any external effort, but it is memory all the same.

Hence, having a really strong memory is really helpful to doing good mathematics. I think of good memory as a complementary process, as a cache you use to acquire data at a rate while the brain is processing and internalizing the already accumulated data.

What you are probably talking about here when you say memory is rote-learning. Which is basic memorizations of symbols, which is bad for any kind of field, not just mathematics. But then, in other fields, you can get away more with it than in mathematics. Also, in some fields, like history and law, rote memory might be thought of as important just because the associations are even more complex to remember and even more weakly related. Instead, in mathematics, associations are generally very very strong.

$\endgroup$
2
  • 2
    $\begingroup$ Nice, well said. $\endgroup$
    – Dan Brumleve
    Nov 17, 2012 at 8:55
  • 2
    $\begingroup$ +1 for distinguishing between memory and rote-learning. Someone needed to say that. $\endgroup$
    – Jesse Madnick
    Dec 12, 2012 at 20:09
18
$\begingroup$

Your question reminded me of the following article (I happen to be very interested in research on math and cognition): Working Memory and Mathematics. It's a very long article, a review of the literature, citing a lot great references, and dated 2010.

You seem to be referring to "long term memory", though. So perhaps the article is not of any interest to you. Mathematical cognition (and thinking in general) involves many sorts of memory: working memory, long term memory, fluid memory, static memory, pattern recognition, etc., as well as the faculties of spatial ordering, temporal-sequential ordering, etc., each of which involves various parts of the human mind.

Here's a link to the abstract of a nice article that might be of interest Memory in Mathematical Understanding. The article discusses the correlation between learning, understanding, and memory. That is, memory can be a function of how well one learned and understood the material one is hoping to remember.

If it's of any consolation, I don't think that you are alone. (I can only speak for myself, here, in that I too wish I was able to recall many things, many times. That's where having access to good references and texts come to the rescue! It is better to know how to find what you need to know, than to simply rely on the hope that everything one has learned will surface when needed! Usually, one need only refresh one's memory, which takes only a fraction of the time spent having learned in in the first place.

On a light note:

I remember consoling myself a while back by visualizing "learning" as filling a suitcase(s), the contents of which is "what I know." The more you add to your luggage, (the more you learn and the more you know), the harder it is to locate any particular item amidst the cramped collection of what you've acquired!

$\endgroup$
8
  • $\begingroup$ RE Aside: Yes. etymonline.com/index.php?term=mathematic $\endgroup$
    – Benjamin Dickman
    Nov 17, 2012 at 3:35
  • 5
    $\begingroup$ Why the downvote? $\endgroup$
    – amWhy
    Nov 17, 2012 at 15:24
  • 2
    $\begingroup$ @DanBrumleve yikes...relax. I hardly think there is anything in my answer that suggests one never needs to know something, only how to find it. There are certain things worth remembering; other things, which are less important to know and are easily accessible otherwise can be delegated to the "knowing how to find". The point being, one needs to prioritize by relevance. ... Also note the italicized on-a-line-to-itself On a light note disclaimer that precedes my suitcase analogy. Take a deep breath, now. $\endgroup$
    – amWhy
    Nov 17, 2012 at 22:15
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ I think it can be dangerous to get into the habit of forgetting something useful (e.g. a definition, the statement of a theorem, the outline of a proof) simply because it can be looked up again and that mental "space" could be used for something else. In fact it is often hard to distinguish the situation of forgetting from that of not really learning in the first place. Having references at one's fingertips is great but it can be a crutch in that sense that it creates false confidence. Don't take the downvote too seriously, I am being capricious just in order to provoke this discussion. :) $\endgroup$
    – Dan Brumleve
    Nov 17, 2012 at 22:27
  • 2
    $\begingroup$ @Dan $\;\;$8-) I agree with what you're saying, and am very much inclined to agree with Jayesh. I certainly did not intend to downplay memory nor to downplay thoroughly understanding what one is learning understanding (both of which I believe to be highly correlated). I suspect that those who worry most about - or take seriously - learning, understanding, and memory need to remind ourselves every once in a while that we needn't remember everything, while those who worry least about learning, understanding, and remembering are the one's who use the "how to find" avenue as a crutch. $\endgroup$
    – amWhy
    Nov 17, 2012 at 22:33
13
$\begingroup$

You're more likely to remember something if you've understood it than if you've memorized it.

In that sense, memory does not play the role in mathematics that it is thought to play by students whose reason for taking a math course is to get it over with.

I would also add that you're more likely to remember something if you've taught it five times or more.

$\endgroup$
4
  • 13
    $\begingroup$ Research into cognition tells us that you are more likely to understand something if you've memorized it. Chicken and egg? $\endgroup$
    – Todd Wilcox
    Nov 17, 2012 at 3:39
  • $\begingroup$ I think it is possible to understand a fact by first memorizing its proof and then replaying it. It's like making a controversial call in a football game, say. It isn't any more sufficient to memorize a proof than it is to video the play: somebody still has to watch the tape and make a call. I think the paradox goes away when we consider the value of "replaying". $\endgroup$
    – Dan Brumleve
    Nov 17, 2012 at 5:14
  • $\begingroup$ @Todd: Can you give a reference to this research? $\endgroup$
    – Tara B
    Nov 17, 2012 at 15:48
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ This paper is a good summary of the central concept, chunking, with some primary references: papers.cmkularski.net/20100312-1804.pdf. Here's a very readable book about cognitive research and education: amazon.com/Why-Dont-Students-Like-School/dp/047059196X/…. Basically, you have to chunk simple facts to then chunk more advanced concepts to then synthesize new understanding. $\endgroup$
    – Todd Wilcox
    Nov 19, 2012 at 19:04
7
$\begingroup$

I know this has the soft question tag, but I think the statement of the question is too ambiguous to be meaningful. In particular, what do you mean by memory and doing mathematics?

Does memory just refer to previous theorems and facts? What about remembering the types of strategies that are helpful for broaching mathematical questions (e.g., trying a small case, trying a special case, drawing a picture, generalizing)?

Does doing mathematics refer to solving a problem on a test? Figuring out your own problems and then solving them? Answering open questions that have been deemed important within the field of mathematics (i.e., by other mathematicians)?

To take an extreme case, I would argue that someone who totally forgets the standard algorithm for long division and re-figures it out each day is, in a very real sense, doing mathematics. This person has a god-awful memory, but is still engaging with mathematics (specifically, basic arithmetic) and deriving a powerful algorithm. That said, I would also argue that this person is unlikely to make a longstanding contribution to the field of mathematics, in that he is too busy "re-inventing the wheel" to expand the boundaries of what is known by mathematicians.

Just as new mathematics springs forth from well-posed problems, you should consider rephrasing your question here if you want a more serious answer. In its current state, it would be easy to open scholar.google.com and do a search for mathematics and memory. You could also look at papers by Alan Schoenfeld on problem solving, and, more specifically, what he refers to as "resources." However, I am disinclined to give a fuller response based on the literature without knowing precisely what you are asking.

$\endgroup$
4
$\begingroup$

When you say memory you probably mean conscious memory. It has its benefits, it is always easier to know that you know something rather than discovering that you know it, but it is not essential. It is possible to remember something, or rather to know it, without knowing that you know that. In the following I will make the distinction between "remembering" (consciously) and "knowing" (unconsciously).

For mathematics you probably need to know more than you need to remember. If you know the basic definitions and how to derive from them, you will invariably be able to prove things. If you remember how it may be easier to do that, and probably easier to explain to others.

Surely remembering things is helpful, very helpful. I had friends in my undergrad who remembered everything and had the wonderful ability to connect all mathematics together and they got amazing grades and knew everything. I staggered to comprehend most things, and had a hard time fully understanding things (now I know that this is only so because we only had so little set theory in undergrad studies).

In fact, if you allow me a bit of namedropping, Saharon Shelah has an incredible memory for his results. The man has written a thousand papers and he remembers the results from each paper in the most uncanny way. I once asked him about something and he immediately knew to direct me to this and that, and added that in another paper I can also find more.

On the other hand, to do mathematics one has to be able to prove things, and to come up with new ideas. It does not matter how do you come up with them, you just have to be able to justify it mathematically. To see the large picture, even if you don't understand it consciously (or don't remember it consciously), is important and useful.

I believe that this is as subjective as humanly possible, and there is no proper way of analyzing whether or not memory is important, but I don't think anyone can argue that it is not useful. Every person has its own process, and where some people would be upset for not remembering everything; others won't mind and would focus on actually working. I know this because I don't remember too much outside of set theory, and even in set theory I don't remember too much - just references to results, and sometimes not even the actual results (only something close enough).

What I think is important is to have a good "proximity" alarm set, so when you run into a result which looks familiar you could remember it exists somewhere before, even if you don't remember the exact results which triggered that familiarity.

$\endgroup$
4
$\begingroup$

It depends on what kind of math you are working with.

As an example, one of the fathers of H-bomb, Soviet academician, Dr Sakharov had memory so bad that he always had to go for paper reference if he needed to recall values of basic physical constants. But he never forgot how to use them.

Once you acquired the mental grip on how to perform basic arithmetical operations, it is really hard to loose the skill. It is up to you where to develop it further. It has nothing to do with the memory per se, it is about to develop new kinds of neural connections in your brain, and it only comes with effort. Nootropics can help if you struggle to develop new levels of abstract thinking.

Some extreme (not extremely) promising techniques were recently demonstrated at London Futurists meetup by Mr Andrew Vladimiroff.

Generally speaking there is nothing difficult in developing huge memory, techniques are known long before Giordano Bruno got burned, it is a matter of exercise. But memory will not help you to understand new mathematical concepts. You need to hack your wetware from inside.

References:

$\endgroup$
4
$\begingroup$

James Joseph Sylvester was one the greatest British mathematicians of the 19th century. He was known for his absentmindedness and poor memory; on one occasion he even denied the truth of one of his own theorems.

(http://www.cut-the-knot.org/blue/Sylvester.shtml)

$\endgroup$
3
$\begingroup$

I think that memory is very important. Of course it is not the only thing needed to do math, but it almost impossible to go anywhere without it. I'm painfully aware of numerous times where not remembering well enough (or at all) things I have seen in the past, has hurt my research efforts.

Years ago a friend was talking to me about a rising star in his area (a "his-second-ever-paper-appeared-in-the-annals" kind of guy), and what he was telling me was that this person could remember every proof he had ever read.

$\endgroup$
4
  • $\begingroup$ Yes, if you take someone who can remember just about everything they have ever read, and combine that with a pretty good intelligence, they can probably produce a lot of research. I would say much more than someone with the same intelligence that has a normal memory. But, of course, you can't produce much of any research without some intelligence, even if you can remember a lot. $\endgroup$
    – GeoffDS
    Nov 17, 2012 at 3:18
  • $\begingroup$ Of course. The guy is brilliant beyond his memory. But I also noticed that other times that I was able to talk with top mathematicians; I was impressed with the command they had of a lot of papers they had read. $\endgroup$
    – Martin Argerami
    Nov 17, 2012 at 3:26
  • 4
    $\begingroup$ OTOH, I've met a Fields medalists who does not remember the content of half of his papers :-0 $\endgroup$
    – Mariano Suárez-Álvarez
    Nov 17, 2012 at 4:14
  • 2
    $\begingroup$ @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez That reminds me of an episode of Hilbert. it is something like this: When he happened to hear about a result of his old paper on algebraic number theory, he thought it was great and asked who wrote it. $\endgroup$
    – Makoto Kato
    Nov 17, 2012 at 18:04
0
$\begingroup$

I have heard people saying the same thing so many times, they say you have to understand it... if you understand it you don't need to memorize anything. So far, if you don't know your multiplication table you won't be able to understand divisions. If you don't know Pythagoras' theorem, I doubt you will be able to calculate the hypotenuse of a square triangle except with a ruler. If someone ask you to solve a matrix... there are known methods to solve matrices you are not going to solve it by seeing the matrix. My mathematics teacher in high school, always said "There's nothing to understand, just learn everything".

Memory is important in everything we do, it's just that with the society of nowadays and the fact that you can access information with the tip of your finger on your smartphone... people think it is less important to memorize certain things.

$\endgroup$

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .