If iterated exponentiation (usually also called "Powertower") is understood as mathematical operator or as function depending on the iteration height, then this operator/operation/function is often called "tetration" and is assumed as next step in the operator hierarchy addition,multiplication, ...

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Explain $x^{x^{x^{{\cdots}}}} = \,\,3$

$$x^{x^{x^{\cdot^{\cdot^{\cdot}}}}} =\quad 2$$ This equation has the answer $\sqrt{2}$ by taking $\log$ to both side. This answer is correct because I'd proved it by computing the equation repeatedly ...
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Is there a closed form for the inverse of $y=x^{x^x}$?

It's pretty well known, and easy to derive, that $y=x^x$ has the inverse $y=\frac{\ln x}{W(\ln x)}$. I've had no luck trying to work out the inverse of any larger power towers, though. Is there any ...
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Iteration of $x \to x^x$

If $u(x)=x^x$ then we can form $$ u^2(x) = \left(x^x \right)^{x^x} = x^{x^{x+1}} $$ some simplification occurs, but the further iterates are a typographical challenge to mathjax. Writing $E_k$ for ...
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Convergence of an infinite power

There are complex numbers $z$ and $w$ for which $$\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}z\uparrow\uparrow n=w$$ where $\uparrow\uparrow$ is the tetration symbol, e.g. $z=\sqrt{2}$ and $w=2$. Are there complex ...
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Natural examples of tetration

(Note: I am aware of this question, but this isn't a duplicate) In mathematics I know several things for which we have naturally occuring tetrational growth: first, and simpliest, is finite stages in ...
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How to differentiate $\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}\underbrace{x^{x^{x^{…}}}}_{n\text{ times}}$? [duplicate]

Let $$f(x)=\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}\underbrace{x^{x^{x^{...}}}}_{n\text{ times}}$$ Is it possible to find $f'(x)$. If yes, please show all steps.
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Is it true that ${^\infty}{\sqrt[x]{x}} = x$

I was fiddling around with tetration and I stumbled across an interesting idea, ${^\infty}{\sqrt[x]{x}}$. I messed around with the concept a little bit and I had the following idea: Let ${^\infty}y = ...
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If a uniquness for all functions exist shouldn't there be uniquness to recursion?

What I'm specifically saying is every function is definitely unique, as they may be nearly equivalent to another function, for example. Let's make a table of values for $^{x}2$ (0,1) (1,2) (2,4) ...
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Clarification on tetration

So far when I looked at tetration I noticed it had a recursive relation. It's $t_2=2^{(t_1)}.$ For example if we start at point $(0,1)$, we can take the x-value of $0$, and $2^0=1$, then we take $1$ ...
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Tetration graph for this function

I'm trying to visualize the derivatives of exponential tetration, by taking the original equation from its graph. Right now there is no elementary way of expressing the derivative. I'm not allowed to ...
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Are these correct for calculating the number of Digits

I think the following equations are correct for base 10, where each D corresponds to the number of digits in results for each operation. Dadd = Floor(Log10X) + 1 Dmul = Floor(Log10X + Log10Y)+1 ...
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A question on the equation $^qx=2$

Given the equation $$^qx=2$$ with $q\gt3$ where $^qx$ means the 'tetration' operation on $x$, my question is: is it possible to find a value for $q$ for which the solution $x$ of the equation is a ...
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Efficient algorithm for calculating the tetration of two numbers mod n?

I'm trying to study the algebraic properties of the magma created by defining the binary operation $x*y$ to be: $ x*y = (x \uparrow y) \bmod n $ where $ \uparrow $ is the symbol for tetration. ...
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Is the exact value of $^{\infty}i$ known? [duplicate]

Wikipedia's article on tetration has a table of successive tetrations of $i$ that seems to imply that $^{\infty}i$ converges, and my own experimentation seems to confirm it, but I'm suspicious of ...
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If $y=x^{x^{x^{x^{x^{.^{.^{.}}}}}}}$ then how $y=x^y$?

In questions like, find the derivative of $f(x)=x^{x^{x^{x^{x^{.^{.^{.}}}}}}}$, how can we formally show that $y=x^y$? We use this technique for all type of iterations, e.g. ...
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Does infinite tetration of negative numbers converge for any value other than -1?

Okay, so I know that for positive values, $^{\infty}x$ converges to $-\frac{W(-\ln x)}{\ln x}$ for $e^{-e}\le x \le e^{\frac1e}$. Above that, it diverges. For positive values less than $e^{-e}$, any ...
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Double exponential Taylor series $\exp(-\exp(k-ex))$

k is real constant $\gt = 1$. Is $a_n$ for $f(x)$ positive, increasing, and $\lt 1$, where $n\lt= e^{k-1}$? $$f(x) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n x^n = \exp(-\exp(k-ex))$$ $f(x)$ is the double ...
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$2 \uparrow^n 2 = 4$ and the magnificence of $2$

I was reading up on tetration when I realized: $$2 \uparrow\uparrow 2 = 2\uparrow 2 = 2 \times 2 = 2+2 =4$$ Infact, when generally speaking: $$ 2 \uparrow^n 2 =4$$ Now, I realize that this is because ...
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Appear the digits in the number $3^{3^{3^3}}$ approximately equally often?

Does the number $$3\uparrow \uparrow 4 = 3^{3^{3^3}}$$ contain the digits 0-9 approximately equally often ? With "approximately" I mean that a chi-squared test for equal distribution would produce ...
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Prime factors of $2^{2^2}+3^{3^3}+5^{5^5}+7^{7^7}$

Are there any useful restrictions to the prime factors of the number $$2^{2^2}+3^{3^3}+5^{5^5}+7^{7^7}$$ The two smallest are 6771419 and 72153167 , which I found by trial division. The number is ...
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Show that the iterated $\ln^{[n]}$ of tetration(x,n) is nowhere analytic

$$f(x) = \lim_{n\to \infty} \ln^{[n]} x \uparrow\uparrow n$$ The conjecture is that $f(x)$ is monotonic and infinitely differentiable at the real axis, but nowhere analytic; because at each point on ...
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Prime factors of $\sum_{k=1}^{30}k^{k^k}$

I checked the prime factors of $$\sum_{k=1}^{30}k^{k^k}$$ and did not find any upto $10^8$ Are there any useful restrictions to accelerate the search ?
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Comparison between two tetrations

For a given natural number n, what ist the least number m, such that $$e \uparrow \uparrow m > \pi \uparrow \uparrow n$$ It seems that m = n + 1 is the desired number. Is this true for all n ?
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Two more numbers involving tetration with unknown prime factors

I have two more numbers for which I search prime factors : $$6 \uparrow \uparrow 4 + 7 \uparrow \uparrow 4$$ and $$7 \uparrow \uparrow 4 + 10 \uparrow \uparrow 4$$ I searched upto $10^9$ and did ...
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Is there a proof that the number $2 \uparrow \uparrow m+3 \uparrow \uparrow n$ is always squarefree?

I searched prime factors of the numbers $$z(m,n) := 2 \uparrow \uparrow m + 3 \uparrow \uparrow n$$ where $m,n\ge1$ Interestingly, z(3,3) is prime, the largest prime I found so far and probably the ...
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Is tetration a transcendental function?

Is tetration a transcendental function? If so are there any papers with a proof? I suspect that it is because I have not seen any algebraic situations where tetration is the answer and the fact that ...
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Does $a \uparrow \uparrow (n+1)-a \uparrow \uparrow n$ divide $a \uparrow \uparrow(n+2) - a \uparrow \uparrow(n+1 )$?

Does $$a\uparrow \uparrow (n+1) - a\uparrow \uparrow n$$ divide $$a\uparrow \uparrow (n+2) - a\uparrow \uparrow (n+1)$$ for all $a,n \ge2$ ? The case n = 0 is easy : $$a^a-a=a(a^{a-1}-1)$$ and ...
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Question about tetration modulus a prime $p>100$

Define $x§y$ as the power tower : $x^{x^x...}$ where $...$ means $y$ times. For instance $2§1=2,2§2=4,2§3=16,2§4=2^{16}$. See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetration Let $p$ be a prime larger than ...
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Stationary prime factor 34276387 , confirmation and generalization wanted.

Sheldon L found out, that $$34276387$$ is a prime factor of $$2 \uparrow \uparrow n + 3 \uparrow \uparrow n$$ for any natural number $n \ge 5$. $2 \uparrow \uparrow n$ leaves the remainder ...
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How do we know that tetration is exclusively right-associative?

When we go from multiplication to exponentiation we lose commutativity ($3^2 \neq 2^3$). Perhaps when we go from exponentiation to tetration every operation yields two possible results.
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Calculating $a^n\pmod m$ in the general case

It is well known, that $$a^{\phi(m)}\equiv1\pmod m ,$$ if $\gcd(a,m)=1.$ So, $a^n\pmod m$ can be calculated by reducing n modulo $\phi(m)$. But, for the tetration modulo $m$ $$a \uparrow ...
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Prime factor of $2 \uparrow \uparrow 4 + 3\uparrow \uparrow 4$

I checked the prime factors of $$2 \uparrow \uparrow 4 + 3\uparrow \uparrow 4 = 2^{2^{2^2}} + 3^{3^{3^3}}$$ with trial division and found non below $8*10^9$ Nevertheless, the given number has still ...
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radius of convergence of half iterate of sinh(z)?

The half iterate of sinh(z) has a formal power series, centered around z=0. Does the formal power series for the half iterate converge at the origin? This is equivalent to asking if the half iterate ...
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Slight confusion about the calculation of the last digits of graham's number

In Wikipedia, Graham's number, it is described how to calculate the last d digits of Graham's number. They introduce an algorithm simply iterating $$x = 3^x \mod 10^d$$ d times starting with x=3. ...
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Prime factor of $14 \uparrow \uparrow 3 + 15\uparrow \uparrow 3$ wanted

Checking the prime factors of the numbers $$z(a,b) \ := a \uparrow \uparrow 3 \ +\ b \uparrow \uparrow 3 \ ,$$ a,b positive integers with a < b the number $$z(14,15) = 14 \uparrow \uparrow ...
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Fast converging sums involving tetrations

Loosely speaken, Liouville's theorem shows that rational series converging "too fast", have a transcendental limit. The concrete criterion is somewhat cumbersome and hard to check. Now my question : ...
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What is the derivative of ${}^xx$

How would one find: $$\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dx}{}^xx?$$ where ${}^ba$ is defined by $${}^ba\stackrel{\mathrm{def}}{=}\underbrace{ a^{a^{\cdot^{\cdot^{\cdot^a}}}}}_{\text{$b$ times}}$$ Work so ...
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Which precision would be needed?

According to Wikipedia, it is not known whether the number $$\pi \uparrow \uparrow 4$$ is an integer. (See Tetration) To which precision would $\pi$ have to be calculated to decide this ? The ...
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$n^{th}$ derivative of a tetration function

I stumbled upon this very peculiar function last summer, namely: $f(x)=x^{x^{x^{...^{x}}}}$, where there is a number $n$ of $x$'s in the exponent, I tried to find the derivative for the function and I ...
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Knuth's arrow up notation again

Consider the following recursion : $$ a(1)=3! $$ $$ a(n+1) = a(n)! \quad\hbox{for all $n\geq 1$} $$ For a given $n$, how can the number $m$ with $$ 10 \uparrow \uparrow m < a(n) < 10 \uparrow ...
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Knuth's up arrow notation

Given n, how can the number m with $10 \uparrow \uparrow m < 2 \uparrow \uparrow n < 10 \uparrow \uparrow (m+1)$ be calculated ? With induction, I got $10 \uparrow \uparrow m < 2 ...
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Is crossdirectional partial tetration of order $n^c$?

The following animation shows a sum of a matrix where the parameter $c=0$ gives a straight line in pink, and as $c \rightarrow 1$ it approaches the Chebyshev $\psi$ function, the blue staircase. This ...
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Recursive definition of recursively defined operations

The recursive definitions of addition, multiplication, and exponentiation usually stop after exponentiation ("${\small+}1$" to be read as "the successor of"): $x \boldsymbol{+} (y\ {\small+}1) := (x ...
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Does this follow from the definition of the LambertW function?

The LambertW function $W(s)$ also called ProductLog seems to satisfy this relation: $$-W(s) = \underbrace{-s e^{-s e^{\cdot^{\cdot^{-s e^{-W(s)}}}}}}_n$$ Or truncated: $$-W(s) = -se^{-s e^{-s e^{-s ...
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Arrow notation and decimals.

We know how to add with decimals. We know how to multiply with decimals. We know how to exponentiate with decimals. Do we know how to work with decimals for power towers? for example, can we deal ...
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Inverse function of $x\mapsto \sqrt[x]x$ on $\left[0,e^{-1}\right]$

Why is it, that the inverse of $\sqrt[x]x$ is given by the infinite power tower in $x\in[\frac1e;e]$, but not in $x\in[0;\frac1e]$? I know that the power tower diverges on that interval, but even if ...
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Is there a 2D 3-colorstate mobile automaton that grows like $ln^{0,5}(t)$?

Define an integer function $f(t)$ for an integer $t>25$ such that $|f(f(t)) - ln(t)| < \sqrt {ln(t)}+2$. Define $L(X(t))$ as the number of nonwhite states at iteration $t$ of mobile automaton ...
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Does $^{\frac12}x=e^{W(\ln x)}$, or not?

Whenever I see tetration discussed here, I inevitably see it asserted that there's no consistent continuous definition for tetration. However, it seems to me that If we restrict ourselves to ...
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Example of Tetration in Natural Phenomena

Tetration is a natural extension of the concept of addition, multiplication, and exponentiation. It is quite obvious that there are things in the physics world which can be modeled by these 3 lowest ...