In the ZF set theory ordinals are transitive sets which are well-ordered by $\in$. They are canonical representatives for well-orderings under order-isomorphism. In addition to the intriguing ordinal arithmetics, ordinals give a sturdy backbone to models of ZF and operate as a direct extension of ...

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Prove or disprove - order types and constants

Let $k$ and $l$ be natural numbers and let $\omega=[(\mathbb N, \le)], \ \eta=[(\mathbb Q, \le)]$ be order types (or ordinals). Prove or disprove the following: if $k+\eta=l+\eta$ ...
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Embedding $\omega_1$ into the direct sum/product of $\Bbb R$'s and $\Bbb N$'s

I'm trying to find a way to visualize the first uncountable ordinal $\omega_1$. This is rather difficult, as the visualization tactic that I often use for countable ordinals - namely, the "matchstick" ...
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Existence of countable ordinal [duplicate]

Prove that there exist countable ordinal $\xi$ such that $\xi=\omega^\xi$. The $\xi= \sup \{b^i \mid b_1=w, b_{i+1}=w^{b^i}\}$ should work. But how to prove that $\xi$ is countable?
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Ordinality of a Set

What is the difference between Ordinal number and cardinal number of a set?....I have a confusion in understanding the difference between the two.Can anyone help me to understand these two things? ...
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Prove every nonzero ordinal is either successor or limit

I am trying to prove the statement in the title. Here is my partial proof: Let $n$ be a nonzero ordinal. It is obvious that $\cup_{\beta<n}\beta \subseteq n$. If $\cup_{\beta<n}\beta = ...
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Definition of $\omega_1$, comparing it to $2^\mathbb{N}$?

I'm taking an Intro to Topology class, and we just started defining ordinals. We defined finite ordinals as: \begin{align*} 0 & = \varnothing \\ 1 & = \{0\} \\ 2 & = \{0,1\} \\ & ...
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Do the ordinals exist before the universe of sets is constructed?

Should I worry about the following appeIarance of circularity in ZFC set theory? In constructing the universe of sets, you start with the empty set and then keep taking the power set over and over. ...
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If $\alpha$ and $\beta$ are ordinals, prove that $\alpha ^ \beta$ is a countable ordinal.

In this question I am supposing that both $\alpha$ and $\beta$ are ordinals. My definition of an ordinal is that: $x$ is an ordinal if $x$ is well-ordered by $\in$ and $x$ is $\in$-transitive. So ...
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Prove $\epsilon_0$ < $\omega_1$ [duplicate]

This is a question in ordinal arithmetic. (If anyone has read 'Classic Set Theory' by Derek Goldrei, this question comes from page 252.) $\epsilon_0$ = sup {$\omega$, $\omega^\omega$, ... } and ...
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Prove $\omega + \omega_1 = \omega_1$ [duplicate]

I am assuming that $\omega_1$ is the first uncountable ordinal and I'm using ordinal arithmetic. I have so far that if $\alpha$ and $\beta$ are ordinals, then $\alpha + \beta$ = sup{$\alpha + ...
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Equivalence between two definitions of successor ordinal

So, here am I again struggling with Schimmerling. Now I just want to check if understood correctly how to relate the two definitions of a successor ordinal. We can define the successor of $\alpha$ ...
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Order-preserving injections of ordinals into $[0,1]$

The usual "matchstick" representation of an ordinal number can be thought of as an order-preserving injection of that ordinal into the interval [0,1]. For example, here's a representation of ...
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Axiom of regularity and ordinal ranks

I am trying to prove that the following two statements are equivalent: Axiom of regularity $\forall x \exists \alpha (\alpha $ is an ordinal and $ x \in V_\alpha)$ I believe I understand how to ...
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Transitive sets and the Mostowski collapse

I was wondering if every set can be "transitized" - that is, made into a transitive version of itself. Is this basically what the Mostowski collapse says?
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Initial Segment Order Isomorphic to the Ordinal Numbers

Prove that every well-ordered proper class has an initial segment order isomorphic to the ordinal numbers, ON. I have a plan to prove this but it uses a recursive definition and induction which I do ...
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Prove: $2^{\aleph_0}\not=\aleph_{\epsilon_0}$

Prove: $2^{\aleph_0}\not=\aleph_{\epsilon_0}$ I would like a hint for this problem
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Ordinal numbers and onto function

So, another one in set theory (I think I am falling inlove with the subject). The question itself as presented: Given $\Bbb Z$ is ordered by $<'$, where $a<'b$ iff $a\ge 0, a<b$, ...
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Is there a difference between the order type of Q·ω and Q·Q?

From what I understand, the expression is "a countable amount of the order type of Q", which intuitively should be equal to the second expression. Is this true? How do I explain this formally? Thanks ...
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Countable subset bounded in uncountable set

Let $(B, \prec)$ be a well ordered set with the ordinal $\omega_1$. Show that every countable subset of B is bounded in $(B, \prec)$. Let A be such a subset. A is a subset of a well ordered set and ...
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Set of Cardinals

Let $A$ be a set of cardinals. Prove that there is a cardinal that that is greater than every cardinal in $A$. Assume that there isn't such a cardinal. Then for any cardinal $x$ there is $y\in A$ such ...
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How to prove by induction that the set of all natural numbers is an ordinal

I have seen alternative methods of this proof, with one being: let $n$ be the set of all natural numbers. Then (1) $\omega$ is an ordinal, (2) If $\alpha$ is an ordinal and $\beta \in \alpha$, then ...
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Ordering ordinals by size [closed]

Well define $\omega,\omega_1, \omega_2$ to be the first three infinite ordinals. Order them according to their size: $2\cdot\omega_1+\omega\cdot3+3,$ $\omega\cdot3+\omega_1+3,$ ...
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Prove that $\omega + \omega_1 = \omega \cdot \omega_1 = \omega^{\omega_1} = \omega_1$

I am assuming already that a) the union of countably many countable sets is countable and b) $\omega_1$ is the least uncountable ordinal, so $x < \omega_1$ if and only if $x$ is a countable ...
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What is the cardinality of the open ordinal space $[0,\Omega)$ if we remove it's limit ordinals?

Let $\Omega$ be the first uncountable ordinal. and for any limit ordinal $\lambda < \Omega$ Let $U_\lambda$ an open neighborhood of $\lambda$ with the order topology. what is the cardinality of the ...
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Is any subset of the open ordinal space $[0,\Omega)$ $G_\delta$?

Consider the open ordinal space $[0,\Omega)$, where $\Omega$ is the first uncountable ordinal. Can I say that every subset of $[0,\Omega)$ is $G_\delta$? If yes, does this imply that $[0,\Omega)$ is ...
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What is the cardinality of all limit ordinals $\alpha$ s.t. $\alpha < 2^\mathfrak c$

Let $\Omega$ be the first ordinal with cardinality $2^\mathfrak c$. Take now the set of all ordinals $\alpha < \Omega$ which are limit ordinals. Is the cardinality of this set countable or is it ...
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If $n$ is a finite ordinal, either $n=\emptyset$, or there exists a finite ordinal $m$ such that $n=m \cup\{m\}$

I have a difficulty with this statement : If $n$ is a finite ordinal, either $n=\emptyset$, or there exists a finite ordinal $m$ such that $n=m \cup\{m\}$. My professor's proof is totally unclear. I ...
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Find ordinal of a strange ordered set

I was asked the following question: for every $x\in \mathbb R$ we define the set $Q(x)=\{q \in \mathbb Q|q\leq x\}$, the set of all rational numbers less or equal to $x$. Let $M=\{Q(x)|x\in \mathbb ...
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Union of limit ordianl [closed]

Let $\alpha$ be a limit ordinal. Show that $\cup\alpha=\alpha$. My definition of a limit ordinal is an ordinal number that is not 0 and not a successor ordinal.
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Some questions about elementary set theory (cardinal and ordinal numbers)

I have three questions about elementary set teory and i don't figure out how to solve them: 1)Let $X$ a subset of the cardinal number $2^{\aleph_0}$ (seen as an initial ordinal). Is true or false ...
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Ordinal inequality - simple question

We are given 2 ordinals: $\alpha$ and $\beta$ where $\beta$ does not have a maximal number (So it's transfinite, right?) We are asked to find $\alpha,\beta$ such that: $\alpha+\beta > ...
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What does $\alpha+\gamma$ mean when $\alpha$ and $\gamma$ are well-ordered sets?

I was asked to prove the following: let $\gamma$ be a well ordered set with the following property: for any $\alpha$ and $\beta$ well ordered sets, if $\alpha+\gamma=\beta+\gamma$ then ...
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Well ordered Set with $\le$ order type

Let $(x,\le)$ be well-ordered set and let $f: \ x \rightarrow x$ be monotonically increasing function. Prove that $\forall a \in x$ $$a \le f(a)$$ Find an example of set x linearly ...
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Examples of $\omega_{1}<\alpha<\omega_{2}$ definable

Can you think of any examples of definable ordinals between $\omega_{1}<\alpha<\omega_{2}$? I am trying to show that countable $M\prec (H(\aleph_{2},\in)$ contains ordinals $>\omega_{1}$. ...
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Are the following sets isomorphic or have the same order type?

Are the following sets isomorphic or have the same order type ? $(\mathbb R, \le) ,\ (\mathbb R,\ge)$ $(\mathbb Q, \le), \ (\mathbb R, \le) $ $(\mathbb N,\ge ), \ (\mathbb N,\le)$ ...
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Easy visualizations of small countable ordinals

The ordinal number $\omega^2$ can be visualized as $\omega$-many copies of $\omega$. Likewise, the ordinal number $\omega^3$ can be visualized as $\omega^2$-many copies of $\omega$, arranged as ...
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Sets and ordinals - homework questions

I have two questions which I don't even know how to start. I would like you to give some hints. I know it would be better that I show some work, but I really don't know where to begin... The question ...
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Proof of Proposition 0.17 in Folland wrong?

Proposition 0.17 in Folland's Real Analysis (2e) is If $X$ and $Y$ are well ordered, then either X is order isomorphic to $Y$, or $X$ is order isomorphic to an initial segment in $Y$, or $Y$ ...
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Generalization of simple and transfinite induction

Definition For a set of ordinals $\boldsymbol\alpha$ and ordinals $\gamma$, $\beta$, let $$\boldsymbol\alpha \xrightarrow[\gamma]{}\beta$$ symbolize the proposition that ...
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what is the third term of the $\omega^{\omega}$-accelerated squares?

let $\{s_n\}_{n=0,1,2...}$ be a strictly increasing sequence of positive integers, indexed by the finite ordinals. if $S$ denotes the space of all such sequences, let the accelerator function, $\alpha ...
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Well ordering of type epsilon one

I have been very interested in the countable ordinals for awhile now, but one thing has eluded me despite my research into the subject. What is a well-ordering of the natural numbers corresponding to ...
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Bijection between countable ordinals and reals

The set of all countable ordinals is $\omega_1$, which has a cardinality of $\aleph_1$. When accepting the continuum hypothesis, $2^{\aleph_0} = \aleph_1$, so a bijection between countable ordinals ...
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Is the ordinal $\omega \uparrow^\omega \omega$ still recursive?

In this question, a very large countable ordinal $\omega \uparrow^\omega \omega$ is defined. Is this ordinal still recursive?
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Order type of standard models of arithmetic

The standard model of PA has order type $\omega$. By compactness PA has a model of order type $\omega+n$ for any $n$, since every finite subset of the following set of statements is provable: ...
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Every woset is an ordinal.

I use this notation: a well ordered set $Y$ is an ordinal if for every $a\in Y$, $Y_a=a$, where $Y_a=\{y\in Y|y< a\}$. Now, I know that for every woset there is an isomorphism from that woset to a ...
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Noninital ordinal of a set

If $\mathbb R$ is well ordered by an order $\ll$ such that the ordinal of R and that order $\alpha$ is not initial. How can I show that there is a closed interval $[a,b]$ ($a<b$) such that the ...
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Godel's pairing function and proving c = c*c for aleph cardinals

I have a few questions about Godel's pairing function and proving that c = c * c for aleph cardinals. Mostly, though, I'm concerned that most of the proofs I've seen are erroneous, and this concerns ...
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Understanding countable ordinals (as trees, step by step)

Even though ordinal numbers – considered as transitive sets – are perfect non-trees, it is worth (and natural) to visualize them as trees, starting from the finite ones which are given as ...
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Visualizations of ordinal numbers

I find this picture of the ordinal numbers up to $\omega^\omega$ rather hard to grasp: I wonder if the following might be a more compelling way to visualize ordinal numbers up to $\omega^\omega$: ...
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Why $\omega+1$ and $\omega^2$ are not cardinal numbers?

I see the following definition of cardinal number in notes: An ordinal $\alpha$ is a cardinal number if $|\beta|<|\alpha|$ for all $\beta\in\alpha$. Why $\omega+1$ and $\omega^2$ are not cardinal ...