In the ZF set theory ordinals are transitive sets which are well-ordered by $\in$. They are canonical representatives for well-orderings under order-isomorphism. In addition to the intriguing ordinal arithmetics, ordinals give a sturdy backbone to models of ZF and operate as a direct extension of ...

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Biggest countable ordinal number

I need to find biggest countable ordinal number. But I am sure there is no one, if I understand proofs and definitions correctly. So here are my idea: Suppose there is biggest countable ordinal number ...
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Proving a relation between Ordinal Exponentiation and its corresponding set

(Characterization of Ordinal Exponentiation) Let $\alpha$ and $\beta$ be ordinals. For f:$\alpha \rightarrow \beta$, let s(f)={$\epsilon < \alpha|f(\epsilon) \not= 0$}. Let S($\alpha, ...
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What do you need to know about ordinals to understand Zorn's Lemma's proof?

I'm trying to understand the proof of Zorn's Lemma but the one which does not use ordinals (Halmos' proof) is extremely long and I really feel I get lost somewhere along the way. On the other hand, ...
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Finite set of rank $\alpha$

Defining the rank function $\in$-recursively as $\text{rank}(x)=\bigcup\{\text{rank}(y)^{+}\mid y\in x\}$ for a set $x$, for which ordinals $\alpha$ does there exist a finite set of rank $\alpha$? And ...
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Different types of well-ordering of $\mathbb{N}$

The question is: "Find 3 non-isomorpic with each other well-orderings of $\mathbb{N}$. Define their ordinals and arrange them in magnitude." The question in ZFC, but I only know that such ...
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Are these ordinals cardinals?

Consider $\omega_2 \times \omega$ and $\omega \times \omega_2$ with ordinal arithmetic. Then $| \omega_2 \times \omega | =\omega_2$ and $| \omega \times \omega_2 | =\omega_2$ Does this imply ...
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Why study cardinals, ordinals and the like?

Why is the study of infinite cardinals, ordinals and the like so prevalent in set theory and logic? What's so interesting about infinite cardinals beyond $\aleph _0 $ and $\mathfrak{c} $? It seems ...
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Countable limit ordinal as limit of $\omega$ ordinals

I've got a most probably silly question, but I can't find the answer to it: If $\alpha$ is a countable limit ordinal, how can we be sure that there exist ordinals $\alpha_n$ such that $\alpha = ...
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Proof that $\omega_1$ is countable (where is the flaw?)

I have discovered a "proof" of the fact, that $\omega_1$ can be countable, contradicting its definition. It mustn't assume axiom of choice, so I guess there are some parts of this construction which ...
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Element of ordinal a subset of the same ordinal

I've got a very short question in set theory. I am currently reading P. T. Johnstone's book Notes on Logic and set theory, and the proof of the fact that Every element of an ordinal is a subset of ...
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Is a limit ordinal necessarily a cardinal?

Maybe this is a trivial question. I see that every infinite cardinal is necessarily a limit ordinal, but is the converse true ?
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Is the cardinality of an ordinal, $\alpha$ less than $\alpha$?

Let $k^+=\{\alpha : \alpha \hspace{2mm} \text{is an ordinal,and} \hspace{2mm} |\alpha|<\kappa\}$ where $k^+$ is an infinite cardinal. I am trying to understand the proof the the following ...
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Prove: Suppose $\alpha > 1$ and $\beta, \gamma$ are ordinals with $\beta < \gamma$. Then $\alpha^\beta < \alpha^\gamma$.

In this question, $\alpha$, $\beta$ and $\gamma$ are ordinals. I want to prove this by transfinite induction on $\gamma$, which typically has two or three cases. I'm considering three cases: the base ...
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On the proof that every ordinal is either the initial ordinal, a successor ordinal or a limit ordinal.

I was reading this paper http://www.math.umn.edu/~garrett/m/algebra/notes/14.pdf (p. 206, or p. 8 on a pdf) on Naive Set Theory on the proof that every ordinal is either the initial ordinal (empty ...
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Proof of Hartogs' Lemma

I'm reading "Sets, Models and Proofs" by I. Moerdijk and J. van Oosten to have some basic understanding of set theory. There's one step in "Hartogs' Lemma" proof that I don't see how to it works: I ...
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Conjecture about ordinal exponentiation: $n^ω=ω$ $\forall n\in\mathbb{N}$-{0,1}

Let $ω$ be the ordinal of the natural numbers. I think this is true: $n^ω=ω$ $\forall n\in\mathbb{N}-${0,1} Am i right? If I am wrong, is it true for any $n\in\mathbb{N}$?
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Tarski's fixed point theorem

My professor stated the following "For every normal function $f \colon ON \to ON$ and for every ordinal $\beta$ there exist an ordinal $\gamma \ge \beta$ such that $f(\gamma)=\gamma$". (normal ...
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Simplify this expression of ordinal numbers: $(ω+1) ω²$ [closed]

Let $ω$ be the ordinal of the natural numbers. Simplify $(ω+1) ω²$
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Is there a subset of R such that their Cantor-Bendixson rank is the first limit ordinal?

I'm looking for a set $A \subset \mathbb{R}$ such that $\bigcap^\infty_{n=0} A^{(n)} $ is a perfect set (i.e $X'=X$) but $\forall n \in \mathbb{N}$ the set $A^{(n)}$ isn't perfect (where ...
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Ordinal addition is associative

We've been asked to teach ourselves a unit on ordinals for our final exam tomorrow, I grasp how to prove that certain ordinals are distinct but I am having trouble figuring out a proof to show ordinal ...
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When does $f_{\omega+1}$ catch up the $G_n$-sequence?

Which is the minimal number k, so that $f_{\omega+1}(n) > G_n$ is true for all $n\ge k$ ? For the definition of $f_{\omega+1}$ look at wikipedia fast growing hierarchy $G_n$ is defined by ...
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How many omegas are there in $\large f_{\epsilon_0}$?

For a description look at fast growing hierarchy at wikipedia. $\large f_{\epsilon_0}$ is not defined any more, it is a power tower of omegas, but how many omegas ? I found a defition $$\large ...
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An alternative succinct proof needed for trivial cardinality fact

Let $|X|$ denote the cardinality of a set, i.e. the least ordinal $\alpha$ such that there is a bijection between X and $\alpha$. For any sets $X$ and $Y$ we write $X\preccurlyeq Y$ if the exists an ...
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Definition of the function $f_{\epsilon_0}$ in the fast-growing hierachy

I found an article where the growth of $$f_{\epsilon_0}$$ in the fast-growing-hierachy is described, but the text is very long and difficult to understand. Is ...
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Existence of a function from ordinal to limit ordinal of the same cardinality

Let $\alpha$ be a limit ordinal, such that $\big | \alpha \big | = \omega$. Prove that there is a strictly increasing function $f: \omega \to \alpha$ such that for all $\zeta < \alpha$ there is $n ...
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Prove $\bigcup \omega_1 = \omega_1$

This is a question regarding ordinals and probably requires some background knowledge of ordinal arithmetic. I will list what I hope is the relevant information for this question: $\omega_1$ is ...
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Ordinal Arithmetic sufficient condition that a + c < b + c

I know that in general ordinal addition is not strictly increasing in the left argument (as in $0+ \omega = n+\omega$). Now I have a fixed countable ordinal $\delta$ and a natural number $k$. My ...
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Weak monotonicity of ordinal addition

I'm trying to prove the weak monotonicity of ordinal addition, i.e. if $\alpha \leq \beta$, then $\alpha + \gamma \leq \beta + \gamma$. The proof is not all that difficult, but I want to make sure I ...
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Why is it that $\omega + \omega_1 = \omega_1$?

I have seen some other questions about the proofs around ordinals and $\omega$ and $\omega_1$, but some of the answers have confused me. An ordinal $\alpha$ is countable if $\alpha < \omega_1$. ...
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A canonical injection $f:\alpha\to[0,1]$ for an arbitrary countable ordinal $\alpha$

Is there a canonical injection $f:\alpha\to[0,1]$ for an arbitrary countable ordinal $\alpha$? As long as $\alpha$ is of the form $m\cdot\omega + n$ for $m,n<\omega$, this is fairly simple, but if ...
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Prove using transfinite induction that if ordinals $\alpha$ and $\beta$ are countable, then so is $\alpha + \beta$.

This question requires using transfinite induction. I plan to fix $\alpha$ and then do transfinite induction on $\beta$. Recall that an ordinal $\alpha$ is countable if $\alpha < \omega_1$, where ...
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Cardinality of Orderings of $\mathbb{R}$

For a finite set $S$ there are $\vert S\vert!$ orderings of its elements. What is the cardinality of all orderings of $\mathbb{N}$? What would $$\vert \mathbb{N}\vert!$$ mean? Is it ...
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Prove that for every three ordinals $\beta \lt \gamma \Rightarrow \alpha+\beta \lt \alpha+\gamma$

Prove that for every three ordinals $\alpha,\beta,\gamma$ we have $\beta \lt \gamma \Rightarrow \alpha+\beta \lt \alpha+\gamma$ It's obvious if all of them are finite, also if only alpha is ...
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What is the usual definition of “ordinal number”?

My definition for the ordinal number is "von-Neumann ordinal". I thought this is the only definition for the ordinal, but i found some other definitions in wikipedia. What is the usual definition of ...
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Short question about ordinals multiplication definition from wiki

Why does $2\cdot\omega$ looks like this: $0_0 < 1_0 <0_1 <1_1 ...$ ? Is that another way to represent $1_0 < 1_1 < 2_0 <2_1 <3_0<3_1 ...$ ? Edit: also, why does it equal to ...
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Prove or disprove - order types and constants

Let $k$ and $l$ be natural numbers and let $\omega=[(\mathbb N, \le)], \ \eta=[(\mathbb Q, \le)]$ be order types (or ordinals). Prove or disprove the following: if $k+\eta=l+\eta$ ...
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Embedding $\omega_1$ into the direct sum/product of $\Bbb R$'s and $\Bbb N$'s

I'm trying to find a way to visualize the first uncountable ordinal $\omega_1$. This is rather difficult, as the visualization tactic that I often use for countable ordinals - namely, the "matchstick" ...
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Existence of countable ordinal [duplicate]

Prove that there exist countable ordinal $\xi$ such that $\xi=\omega^\xi$. The $\xi= \sup \{b^i \mid b_1=w, b_{i+1}=w^{b^i}\}$ should work. But how to prove that $\xi$ is countable?
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Ordinality of a Set

What is the difference between Ordinal number and cardinal number of a set?....I have a confusion in understanding the difference between the two.Can anyone help me to understand these two things? ...
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Prove every nonzero ordinal is either successor or limit

I am trying to prove the statement in the title. Here is my partial proof: Let $n$ be a nonzero ordinal. It is obvious that $\cup_{\beta<n}\beta \subseteq n$. If $\cup_{\beta<n}\beta = ...
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Definition of $\omega_1$, comparing it to $2^\mathbb{N}$?

I'm taking an Intro to Topology class, and we just started defining ordinals. We defined finite ordinals as: \begin{align*} 0 & = \varnothing \\ 1 & = \{0\} \\ 2 & = \{0,1\} \\ & ...
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Do the ordinals exist before the universe of sets is constructed?

Should I worry about the following appeIarance of circularity in ZFC set theory? In constructing the universe of sets, you start with the empty set and then keep taking the power set over and over. ...
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If $\alpha$ and $\beta$ are ordinals, prove that $\alpha ^ \beta$ is a countable ordinal.

In this question I am supposing that both $\alpha$ and $\beta$ are ordinals. My definition of an ordinal is that: $x$ is an ordinal if $x$ is well-ordered by $\in$ and $x$ is $\in$-transitive. So ...
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Prove $\epsilon_0$ < $\omega_1$ [duplicate]

This is a question in ordinal arithmetic. (If anyone has read 'Classic Set Theory' by Derek Goldrei, this question comes from page 252.) $\epsilon_0$ = sup {$\omega$, $\omega^\omega$, ... } and ...
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Prove $\omega + \omega_1 = \omega_1$ [duplicate]

I am assuming that $\omega_1$ is the first uncountable ordinal and I'm using ordinal arithmetic. I have so far that if $\alpha$ and $\beta$ are ordinals, then $\alpha + \beta$ = sup{$\alpha + ...
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Equivalence between two definitions of successor ordinal

So, here am I again struggling with Schimmerling. Now I just want to check if understood correctly how to relate the two definitions of a successor ordinal. We can define the successor of $\alpha$ ...
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Order-preserving injections of ordinals into $[0,1]$

The usual "matchstick" representation of an ordinal number can be thought of as an order-preserving injection of that ordinal into the interval [0,1]. For example, here's a representation of ...
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Axiom of regularity and ordinal ranks

I am trying to prove that the following two statements are equivalent: Axiom of regularity $\forall x \exists \alpha (\alpha $ is an ordinal and $ x \in V_\alpha)$ I believe I understand how to ...
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Transitive sets and the Mostowski collapse

I was wondering if every set can be "transitized" - that is, made into a transitive version of itself. Is this basically what the Mostowski collapse says?
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Initial Segment Order Isomorphic to the Ordinal Numbers

Prove that every well-ordered proper class has an initial segment order isomorphic to the ordinal numbers, ON. I have a plan to prove this but it uses a recursive definition and induction which I do ...