Questions about real numbers not expressible as the quotient of two integers. For questions on determining whether a number is irrational, use the (rationality-testing) tag instead.

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Experimental calculation and $\mathbb{Q}$

I have been reading this article and have a question about the first line of the second paragraph on the first page. It says: The basis for this suggestion is the simple fact that all experimental ...
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Set of irrationals between two reals is uncountable

I know that between any two reals, there is an irrational number. See: Proving that there exists an irrational number in between any given real numbers Now let a, b $\in$ $R$ such that a < b. And ...
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Check if this proof about real numbers with an irrational product is correct.

Can anyone confirm if my proof is correct, please? Claim:- “If $x$ and $y$ are real numbers and their product is irrational, then either $x$ or $y$ must be irrational.” Proof:- Assume that both ...
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How to write this in mathematical notation?

I have the following claim: “If $x$ and $y$ are real numbers and their product is irrational, then either $x$ or $y$ must be irrational.” I'm supposed to write this in mathematical notation. It's ...
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Proof of $\pi$+$e$ irrational

The wikipedia tells that it is not known that $\pi+e$ is irrational? Immediately after reading this my mind came with this proof- Let $x =\sqrt{\pi^2}+\sqrt{e^2}$ be rational, then $ \quad ...
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Fraction raised to integer power

if I have $(p/q)^n$ where $p,q,n$ are integers and $p/q$ is a... I don't know what you call it. Not a whole number, but something like 15/7 where you can't reduce it any more and it's non-integer. Can ...
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Proving/Disproving Product of two irrational number is irrational

I saw this question where I had to prove/disprove that: Ques. Product of two irrational number is irrational. I tried 'Proof by Contraposition'. Product of two irrational number is irrational. p ...
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If $x$ and $y$ are rational then is $x^y$ also rational?

I can think of the counter example $x = 2$ and $y = 1/2$ but how would a proof to disprove this look like?
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Is this a rational or irrational number?

It is given that $$z=\sqrt\frac{\sqrt{3x+1}}{\sqrt{3x-1}}$$ How does one find whether $z$ is a rational or irrational number?
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a square root of an irrational number

I wonder if a square root of an irrational number is always irrational? I would tend to think that yes, but I can´t think of any justification. Also there are cases which are rather hard to decide ...
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sum of irrational numbers - are there nontrivial examples?

I know that the sum of irrational numbers does not have to be irrational. For example $\sqrt2+\left(-\sqrt2\right)$ is equal to $0$. But what I am wondering is there any example where the sum of two ...
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Spiral of Theodorus - Discussion

The fact that $\sqrt2$ is not rational goes back to Theodorus of Cyrene from the school of Pythagoras, and is discussed in Plato's dialog "Theaetetus". Of course, $\sqrt n$ is not rational for any ...
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integral factors of an irrational number

If the radicand of a square root is a non-square (making the root an irrational), and if the non-square is either a prime number, or a composite number that does not have a square divisor (other than ...
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Prove that $\sqrt 2 +\sqrt 3$ is irrational. [duplicate]

Please prove that $\sqrt 2 + \sqrt 3$ is irrational. One of the proofs I've seen goes: If $\sqrt 2 +\sqrt 3$ is rational, then consider $(\sqrt 3 +\sqrt 2)(\sqrt 3 -\sqrt 2)=1$, which implies ...
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Do irrational numbers have equivalence classes the way rational numbers do?

Rational numbers are defined as equivalence classes of ordered pairs (less formally, "fractions") of integers, where $m_1n_2=m_2n_1$. This equivalence relation justifies the common practice of ...
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What is the sum of $4\sqrt{28}$ and $3\sqrt{7}$ ?

As far as I can simplify it - $$4\sqrt{7*4} + 3\sqrt{7} = 8\sqrt{7} + 3 \sqrt{7} = \sqrt{7} * 11$$ However , The options for the correct answer are - A) $ 8/3$ B) $ 16/3$ C) $ 18/3$ D) $24/3$ I ...
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Simplify : $\frac{\sqrt{6}}{\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}} + \frac{3\sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{6 + \sqrt{3}}} - \frac{4\sqrt{3}}{\sqrt{6 + \sqrt{2}}}$

My exams are approaching fast and this question was in one of the sample papers . I have to simplify $$\frac{\sqrt{6}}{\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}} + \frac{3\sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{6 + \sqrt{3}}} - ...
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Proving that any rational number can be represented as the sum of the each cube of three rational numbers

I found the following question in a book: Prove that any integer can be represented as the sum of the each cube of five integers. The answer : ...
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Can an irrational always be found by multiplying irrationals?

I was thinking about the function $\ f(a,b) = a/b $ where $a$ and $b$ where both irrational. It quickly stood out to me that the codomain of that function would include every rational number. But, ...
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How to evaluate $\sqrt{5+2\sqrt{6}}$ + $\sqrt{8-2\sqrt{15}}$ ?

My exams are approaching fast and I found this question in one of the unsolved sample papers. I tried squaring the whole term but couldn't work out the answer . I am a ninth grader so please try to ...
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Pi might contain all finite sets, can it also contain infinite sets?

In a previous, and quite popular, question it was discussed about whether or not $\pi$ contains all finite number combinations. Let us assume for a moment that $\pi$ does in fact contain all finite ...
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Multiplying by an irrational number in combinatorial problems

Everybody knows that the number of derangements of a set of size $n$ is the nearest integer to $n!/e$. It is also widely known that the $(n+1)$th Fibonacci number $F_{n+1}$ is the nearest integer to ...
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What is the rate of decay of $\min\{k\xi-\lfloor k\xi\rfloor|k\in\{1,\dots,n\}\}$, for irrational $\xi$?

I wish to establish bounds on the sequence of infima of $\{n\xi\}_{n\in\Bbb N}$, where $\{x\}=x-\lfloor x\rfloor$ is the fractional part function and $\xi$ is irrational. I can prove that ...
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How to show $\sqrt{4+2\sqrt{3}}-\sqrt{3} = 1$

I start with $x=\sqrt{4+2\sqrt{3}}-\sqrt{3}$, then $\begin{align*} x +\sqrt{3} &= \sqrt{4+2\sqrt{3}}\\ (x +\sqrt{3})^2 &= (\sqrt{4+2\sqrt{3}})^2\\ x^2 + (2\sqrt{3})x + 3 &= 4+ 2\sqrt{3}\\ ...
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How to know a irrationals never repeat?

How would you respond to a middle school student that says: “How do they know that irrational numbers NEVER repeat? I mean, there are only 10 possible digits, so they must eventually start repeating. ...
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Boundaries for Specific Sets with Ambient Space $\mathbb{R}$

I'm trying to find the boundaries for each the following sets: (a) $\begin{Bmatrix}\frac{1}{n}:n\in\mathbb{N}\end{Bmatrix}\overset{?}{=}\{1\}$ (b) $[0,3]\cup(3,5)\overset{?}{=}\{0,5\}$ (c) ...
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Sum of two irrational radicals is irrational?

If $a,b,m$ and $n$ are positive integers such that $\sqrt[m]{a}$ and $\sqrt[n]{b}$ are irrational numbers, how can we prove that the sum $\sqrt[m]{a}+\sqrt[n]{b}$ is also irrational?
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Linear independence of the numbers $\{1,\pi,{\pi}^2\}$

Does someone know a proof that $\{1,\pi,{\pi}^2\}$ is linearly independent over $\mathbb{Q}$ ? The proof should not use that $\pi$ is transcendental. $\{1,e,e^2,e^3\}$ is linearly independent over ...
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Proving the irrationality of $e^n$.

Let $n$ be a positive integer. I know the traditional proof that $e$ is irrational. How do we show that $e^n$ is irrational in some sort of similar line? I am of course assuming it is but I would be ...
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Linear independence of the numbers $\{1,e,e^2,e^3\}$

Does someone know a proof that $\{1,e,e^2,e^3\}$ is linearly independent over $\mathbb{Q}$? The proof should not use that $e$ is transcendental. $e:$ Euler's number. $\{1,e,e^2\}$ is linearly ...
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The Irrationality of 2

I am sorry it is not 'research level'. A quick answer will do. When I attempt using the Square root of 2 method to prove the rationality of Square root of 4 according to how it was done in a book, 2 ...
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Integer outputs of $y=x^2$ , do their last digits form an irrational?

Let the domain of $y=x^2$ be the positive integers. I input consecutive positive integers from $[1, \infty)$ their last digits are $a, b, c, ...$ respectively. If I then make the number $z=\frac ...
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Is there any kind of irrational number wich does not contain digit 9?

At first we must prove that there is or is`t irrational numbers which does not contain digit 9! if there are many kind of such numbers, then there is another question: how to write down algebraic ...
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property of real number system

"Between every two rational numbers there exist infinite irrational numbers and between every two irrational numbers there exist infinite rational numbers. Is this statement correct? If it is, then ...
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how to find out any digit of any irrational number?

We know that irrational number has not periodic digits of finite number as rational number. All this means that we can find out which digit exist in any position of rational number. But what about ...
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What irrational number has the simplest calculation in terms of computation?

I came across https://github.com/philipl/pifs which is a fancy way of storing data. And a thought struck my mind, is it so that Pi is the simplest irrational number to calculate? So the Question is. ...
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how do we know the BBP formula for $\pi$ is valid?

I recently read about the Bailey–Borwein–Plouffe formula for calculating the $n^{\rm th}$ digit of $\pi$. I'm curious to how can we be sure that the formula is always accurate or correct?! Even if we ...
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Proof of $\pi$ not being a quadratic irrational number.

Does someone know a proof (books , articles) that $\pi$ is not a quadratic irrational? The proof should not use that $\pi$ is transcendental. Any hints would be appreciated.
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Curious function problem (EDIT: Not so curious, but didn`t see it at the time of writing)

This one is directly from my head and although it could be something trivial I do not see the way to attack it but the problem looks interesting and I want to share it with you, here it is: Let us ...
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Gelfond-Schneider Constant $2^{\sqrt{2}}$

Someone knows a proof (books , articles) that $2^{\sqrt{2}}$ is irrational ? Without using that $2^{\sqrt{2}}$ is transcendent. Any hints would be appreciated.
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Find the limiting value of the sequence

A sequence is given by the recurrence relation: $$u_n = 1 + {1\over u_{n-1} +1}, u_1 = 1, n{=\ge}1$$ Work out the 2nd, 3rd and 4th term of the sequence and find the limiting value of the sequence. ...
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prove that $\sqrt{2}$ is irrational using only geometry

Prove that $\sqrt{2}$ is irrational using only geometric concepts and proofs. The proof should look like a proof in Euclid's elements or standard high school geometry. No algebra is allowed. (I know ...
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Continued fraction of $\gamma+1$ using recursion

Number $\gamma,$ the Euler-Mascheroni constant, is defined as the value of $$\gamma = \lim_{n\to\infty} \sum_{k=1}^n \frac{1}{k} - \ln(n).$$ We know that $$\lim_{n\to\infty} ...
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Irrationality proof by rational approximations

Assume we have a sequence of rational numbers $\left(\frac{p_n}{q_n}\right),$ where $\gcd(p_n,q_n)=1, \ \forall n \in \mathbb N$. We know that $$\lim_{n\to\infty} \left(\frac{p_n}{q_n}\right)= x$$ ...
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A further question on the irrationality of $x^2+y^2=3$

(Apologies for a further question on the same problem) On page 79 of Julian Harvil's book "The Irrationals" he sets out to prove (by contradiction) that all the points on the circle described by ...
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Irrationality of the points on $x^2 + y^2 = 3$

On page 79 of his book "The Irrationals", Julian Harvil sets out to prove that all the points on the Cartesian plane of the circle described by $x^2 +y^2 =3$ are irrational... (paraphrased below) ...
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$\pi$ does not lie in any quadratic extension of $\mathbb{Q}$

Knowing that $\pi^2$ is irrational: How can we prove that $\pi$ does not lie in any quadratic extension of $\mathbb{Q}$ ? Without using that $\pi$ is transcendent. Any hints would be appreciated.
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Can $\sqrt{n} + \sqrt{m}$ be rational if neither $n,m$ are perfect squares?

Can the expression $\sqrt{n} + \sqrt{m}$ be rational if neither $n,m \in \mathbb{N}$ are perfect squares? I doesn't seem likely, the only way that could happen is if for example $\sqrt{m} = ...
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Prove $a + b\sqrt{2}$ is irrational

Suppose that a and b are non-zero rational numbers. How can I show that $a+b√2$ is not a rational number. You may assume that $√2$ is not a rational number. I thought that finding contradictions in ...
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If $q>1$ is not an integer, can $q^n$ be made arbitrarily close to integers?

This question arose when I heard about Mill's constant: the number $A$ such that $\lfloor A^{3^n} \rfloor$ is prime for all $n$. It made me wonder whether $A^{3^n}$ could be made arbitrarily close to ...