Questions about real numbers not expressible as the quotient of two integers. For questions on determining whether a number is irrational, use the (rationality-testing) tag instead.

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For an irrational number $a$ the fractional part of $na$ for $n\in\mathbb N$ is dense in $[0,1]$ [duplicate]

How to prove that the $\{$ fractional part of $n\alpha\mid n \in \mathbb{N}$ $\}$ is dense in $[0,1]$ for an irrational number $\alpha$. NOTICE that $n$ is in $\mathbb{N}$ Also notice that this is ...
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$1$ is not congruent because of Fermat's Last Theorem?

I would like someone to explain something I did not understand. I was reading a page called "nuking the mosquito" where they give very complex proofs for very simple results. The proof I want to talk ...
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Irrational number “test”?

Suppose we have a finite quantity $a$, which we would like to prove to be irrational, supposing that it is indeed irrational. Then, would it be enough to show that ...
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Are numbers like $\left ( -2 \right )^{\sqrt{2}}$ real or complex?

I know that numbers with rational power can be converted to radicals and based on the degree of the radical we can say that whether they are real or complex. But what about numbers like $\left ( -2 ...
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Lambert's Original Proof that $\pi$ is irrational.

I am trying to find Lambert's original proof that $\pi$ is irrational. Wikipedia has a little description but it is quite lacking. Can someone direct me to Lambert's original proof or post his proof ...
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Irrational numbers in reality

I have a square stone slab 1 metre by 1 metre, by the Pythagorean identity the diagonal from one corner to another is given by $\sqrt 2$. However $\sqrt 2$ is an irrational number, could someone ...
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Archimedes' Apprxomation of Square Roots

Supposing a square root $\sqrt{X}$, let $x$ be the approximation of $\sqrt{X}$, then we get these 2 formulas to estimate $\sqrt{X}$: $x_{n+1}=\frac{x_n+\frac{X}{x_n}}{2}$ and ...
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Help With a proof (Irrational Number)

Prove the following statement by proving its contrapositive: if $r$ is irrational, then $r^\frac{1}{5}$ is irrational. Its contrapositive will be: If $r^\frac{1}{5}$ is not irrational, then $r$ is ...
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Proof that $\sqrt[m]{a} + \sqrt[n]{b}$ is irrational

Is there a way to prove that $\sqrt[m]{a} + \sqrt[n]{b}$ ($\sqrt[m]{a}$ and $\sqrt[n]{b}$ are irrational); $a, b, m, n \in \mathbb{N}$; $m, n \neq 2$; is irrational without using the theorem mentioned ...
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$x+y\sqrt{2}$ infimum ($x,y\in \mathbb{Z}$)

I've looked for help with this question but I have not found anything, I hope this is not a duplicate. Define the set $A=\{\mid x+y\sqrt{2}\mid \ : x,y\in \mathbb{Z}\ \mbox{and} \mid ...
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Show that $\sqrt{2}$ is irrational using integer root theorem

Show that $\sqrt{2}$ is irrational using integer root theorem. Let $P(x)=x^2-2$. Since $\sqrt{2}$ is a root of this polynomial, had it been a rational (suppose $\sqrt{2}=\frac{p}{q}$) no, by ...
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The minimum number of digits after the floating-point, which uniquely identify every irrational square root

Let the following: $B:$ a natural number larger than $1$ $S:$ a set of irrational numbers in the range $(0,1)$ represented in base $B$ $L:$ the minimal prefix length which uniquely identifies every ...
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How do we prove sqrt2 is irrational? [duplicate]

What kind of number is sqrt2, rational or irrational? And what are the analytic and non analytic ways of proving it?
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Deciding whether a number is rational (2 examples)

1) Prove that number irrational $\sqrt{7-\sqrt{2}}$ I created a polynomial $x=\sqrt{7-\sqrt{2}}$ so $P(x)=x^4-14x^2+47$ and since $47$ is prime we check $P(x)$ for $ {1,-1,47,-47}$ and since all of ...
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The set $E= \{x\in [0,1]: \sum_{j=1}^\infty t^j|x−q_j|^{-r} <\infty\}$ does not contain all irrational numbers in $[0,1]$

Let $q_1,q_2,q_3,...$ be an enumeration of $\mathbb{Q}\cap[0,1]$ and let $r,t \in (0,1).$ Consider the set $$E= \{x\in [0,1]: \sum_{j=1}^\infty t^j|x−q_j|^{-r} <\infty\} $$ (a) Show that $E\neq ...
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The sum of two irrational square roots

This is very similar to this question, but I was wondering if there was a simpler proof. In particular, a proof that would prove that $\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{y}$ is an irrational number if both $\sqrt{x}$ ...
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Definition of Rational/ Irrational Numbers reguarding denominators

The definition of a Irrational number is "Irrational numbers don't include integers OR fractions. However, irrational numbers can have a decimal value that continues forever WITHOUT a pattern." So ...
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Dimension of R over Q without cardinality argument. [duplicate]

I am looking for the easiest (elementary) proof that $\mathbb R$ is infinite dimensional as a $\mathbb Q$-vector space, without using cardinality. It should be understandable at highschool level. So ...
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Are there any non-trivial counterexamples to the non-closure of the irrational numbers over addition?

It is trivial to show that the set of irrational numbers is not closed under addition. Just choose an irrational number $p$ and add it to its additive inverse $-p$ to get $0\in\mathbb{Q}$. However, I ...
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Using decimals of $\pi$ to store data

I read recently about an idea to, instead of storing actual data, converting the data to a string of digits and then store the index of where this pattern occurs in some number, for example $\pi$. The ...
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How to find irrational approximates

Say I have a rational number, $n$, that approximates an irrational number of the form: $$n \approx {a+\sqrt b \over c}$$ in terms of being irrational. What is a good way of finding the unknown ...
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Does the absence of horizontal lines shows that there are no $n,m\in \mathbb{N}$ such that $n^2=2m^2$?

When I was learning about the proof of the irracionality of $\sqrt{2}$, I remember of trying to visualize it by ploting the graphs of $f(n)=n^2$ and $g(m)=2m^2$, but at the time I got confused and ...
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Using Descarte’s rule of signs to determine the number of positive roots.

Using the Descarte’s rule of signs to determine the number of positive roots. \begin{equation} f(q)=[(k_f+k_d+k_p*(1-q))(\lambda_b* \gamma ...
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Conjecture: if $a+b$ and $ab$ are rational, $a$ and $b$ are rational

I can't find a rigorous proof but I have a feeling it's true. Informal argument: Suppose $a+b$ and $ab$ are rational, $a$ and $b$ are irrational (since just one can't be irrational). Then $a$ and ...
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Show that $\arctan(n)$ is irrational for all $n \in \mathbb{N}$

Question : Show that $\arctan(n)$ is irrational for all $n \in \mathbb{N}$. Hint: My solution doesn't use continued fraction. I am interested in other possible proofs for this question.
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Is the fact that there are more irrational numbers than rational numbers useful?

Although it is known that the cardinality of the set of irrational numbers is greater than the cardinality of the set of rational numbers, is there any usefulness/applications of this fact outside of ...
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Prove that if $n \geq 2$, then $\sqrt[n]{n}$ is irrational. Hint, show that if $n \geq 2$, then $2^{n} > n$.

Prove that if $n \geq 2$, then $\sqrt[n]{n}$ is irrational. Hint, show that if $n \geq 2$, then $2^{n} > n$. So, my thought process was that I could show that $2^{n} > n$ using induction, but ...
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Does the limit of a sequence with floor function exist?

Question : Let $a_n=n\alpha-\lfloor n\alpha\rfloor\ (n=1,2,\cdots)$ where $\alpha$ is an irrational number. Then, does the limit $n\to\infty$ of $(a_n)^n$ exist? I know that ...
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How to prove that $\cos(n)$ is irrational?

We know that $\cos(1)$ is real and transcendental (1). Then by using the fact that for every $n \in \mathbb{N}$ there exists a polynomial $P_n$ of degree $n$ with integer coefficients such that ...
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Irrationality measure.

I would like someone to give me a definition of what irrationality measure is, I have stumbled over several definitions which may be equivalent but as I lack understanding I cant see this correlation. ...
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Can we prove that the solutions of $\int_0^y \sin(\sin(x)) dx =1$ are irrational?

Can we prove that the solutions of $$\int_0^y \sin(\sin(x)) dx =1$$ are irrational? Wolfram Alpha gives two approximate sets of solutions as $\{4.58+2\pi k|k\in\mathbb{Z}\}$ and $\{1.69+2\pi ...
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Real numbers that are not the roots of any polynomial equation with algebraic coefficients

An algebraic number is a number which is a root of some non-zero polynomial equation with rational coefficients. A transcendental number is a number which is not a root of any non-zero polynomial ...
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negative powers $(x^{-2} = 1/x^2)$

I need clarification for negative power of a number. I understand $x$ to the power of $2$ is equal to $x\cdot x$ But how $x$ to the power of $-2$ is equal to $\dfrac{1}{x^2}$ ?
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Integer algorithm

I have this equation: $$\ln_p y = x+\ln_k z$$ for $p, y, x, k, z \in \mathbb{N}$ Now consider that I have the values for $y$ and I can generate in anyway possible, the value for $x$. How would i ...
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“Building blocks” for computable functions

In an (otherwise very enlightening) answer to another question of mine the question came up What functions are allowed as building blocks for computable functions? I was astonished that there ...
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Why there are irrational numbers?

I do not quite get it. Why can't we represent all real numbers as a sum of rational numbers? Why do we need irrational numbers? For example, ...
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is $(\mathbb{Q} \times (\mathbb{R}\setminus\mathbb{Q}))\cup((\mathbb{R}\setminus\mathbb{Q})\times\mathbb{Q})$ connected? path connected?

let $$X=(\mathbb{Q} \times (\mathbb{R}\setminus\mathbb{Q}) ) \cup ((\mathbb{R}\setminus\mathbb{Q})\times\mathbb{Q}) $$ and let $$\tau=\tau (\text{euclid})$$ what are the connected components of ...
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Solving surds without compairing

Question: Let $a + \sqrt{2b} = 3 - 2\sqrt{2}$ .Find the value of $a - \sqrt{2b}$ What I did: I compared the whole numbers and the irrational numbers in both sides and calculated the answer $3 + ...
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A dense set on $[0,1)$

Let $x\in \mathbb{R}$ an irrational number. Define $X=\{nx-\lfloor nx\rfloor: n\in \mathbb{N}\}$. Prove that $X$ is dense on $[0,1)$. Can anyone give some hint to solve this problem? I tried ...
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Need help to simplify irrational equation

I have faced a problem simplifying this equation. . I tried to solve it this way: , but I just can't get the correct answer. This equation is from high school course, so it must have quite a simple ...
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A pretty much simple number theory problem

Let $x$ be an irrational number, and $n$ be a positive integer. Will there ever be a set of $(n,x)$ which satisfies $x(n-x) \in \mathbb{Z}$ ? If so, could you suggest those numbers? And, if not, ...
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Square root of an odd composite being irrational

Is there an odd composite number $n$ such that $\sqrt{n}$ is irrational?
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Is $i$ irrational?

On the one hand, $i(=\sqrt{-1})$ cannot be expressed as a ratio of integers, so, by definition, $i$ is not rational $\iff i$ is irrational. However, the set of irrational numbers, ...
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A question about decimal representation of irrational numbers.

Is this true that any finite word of the alphabet $\mathcal{A_9}=\{0,1,2, \ldots,8,9\}$ appears somewhere in the decimal representation of $\sqrt{2}$ ? Thanks !
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The “trick” functions in the “$\pi$ is transcendental” proofs

I was reading this paper and I wondered how did Hermite decide to define a function $$f(x)=\frac{x^{p-1}(x-1)^p\cdots (x-m)^p}{(p-1)!}$$ Are these functions only tricks or there is a deeper meaning?
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Visualizing the square root of 2

A junior high school student I am tutoring asked me a question that stumped me - I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on it here. We were talking about how the square root of 2 is an ...
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Prove $\sqrt6$ is irrational

Suppose $\sqrt6 = \frac pq$ where $p$ and $q$ have no common factors. $$6 = \frac {p^2}{q^2}$$ $$6p^2 = q^2$$ So $q^2$ and therefore $q$ is divisible by $6$. $$p^2 = \frac {q^2}{6}$$ So $p^2$ ...
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Chinese estimate for $\pi$. Were they lucky?

The famous chinese estimate $\pi\approx\frac{355}{113}$ is good. I think that is too good. As a continued fraction: $$\pi=[3:7,15,1,292,\ldots]$$ That $292$ is a bit too big. Is there a reason for a ...
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Prove that $(4/5)^{\frac{4}{5}}$ is irrational

Prove that $(4/5)^{\frac{4}{5}}$ is irrational. My proof so far: Suppose for contradiction that $(4/5)^{\frac{4}{5}}$ is rational. Then $(4/5)^{\frac{4}{5}}$=$\dfrac{p}{q}$, where $p$,$q$ are ...
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Euclidean geometry and irrational numbers.

I was wondering, given a square that is $1 \times 1$, how can we know that the diagonal is an irrational length geometrically??? We could use the Pythagorean Theorem to see that the diagonal of a ...