Questions about real numbers not expressible as the quotient of two integers. For questions on determining whether a number is irrational, use the (rationality-testing) tag instead.

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Understanding the proof of “$\sqrt{2}$ is irrational” by contradiction.

I have some difficulties in understanding the proof of "$\sqrt{2}$is irrational" by contradiction. I am reading it in 10th class(in India) Mathematics book( available online, here ) This is the ...
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What is the name of this proof of, “$\sqrt{2}$ is irrational”?

Usually the proof of $\sqrt2$ is irrational is done by contradiction(e.g. here), but I found another similar but short proof in the book "Beginning Algebra for College Students" by Lloyd Lincoln ...
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A field between $\mathbb{Q}$ and $\mathbb{R}$ ?

I really have trouble understanding a task. We've got $p\in$ P, while P are all prime numbers. Now we construct a field $$\mathbb{Q}[\sqrt{p}]:=\{x+y\sqrt{p}:x,y \in \mathbb{Q}\}$$ The Task is to ...
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Can any root, such as a square root or a cube root, be rational?

I've heard of this and most roots are irrational such as $\sqrt{8}$ and $\sqrt[3]{25}$. So, can any of these roots be rational? I think so as I'm typing this. I think these are rational: ...
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Decide whether the following number is rational

Working needs to be shown $\sqrt{\sqrt{5}+3}+\sqrt{\sqrt{5}-2}$ My guess is to multiply by $\sqrt{\sqrt{5}+3}-\sqrt{\sqrt{5}-2}$ then we have a rational number but is it enough to prove the ...
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An Impossible Ratio

I'm facing a bit of a difficulty thinking about the aspect ratio of A4 paper. The beauty of this paper size is that when it is folded in half along the longer side, it becomes A5 paper which has ...
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Which irrationals are contained in the Cantor set?

It is well known that the Cantor set is uncountable. Hence it contains irrationals. What are the 'nice' irrationals in the Cantor set. Here, I am expecting irrational numbers in the form of square ...
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Roots of polynomials: Vieta's Formula

Let $p_n(t) = c_0 + c_1 t + c_2 t^2 + \ldots + c_n t^n$ with $c_i \in \mathbb{Q}$ and let the roots of $p_n(t) = 0$ be $R = \{r_1, r_2, \ldots r_n \}$. Vieta's formula states that $\sum_{i=1}^n r_i = ...
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Irrationality of $n$-th root of positive rationals other than $1$

If $a,b \in \mathbb Z^+ , a \ne b$ then is it true that $\sqrt[a+b]{\dfrac ab}$ is irrational ? This question actually popped up from seeing whether there exists a non-trivial homomorphism from ...
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Prove that √m is irrational by showing that n√m is empty

Let m∈N be such that m≠k^2 for all k∈N. Prove that √m is irrational by showing that {n∈N: n√m∈N} must be empty.
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Cardinality of set of Dedekind cuts (elementary)

Under the Dedekind construction the irrationals are defined as those cuts $(A,B)$ where $B$ has no least element ($A$ not having a greatest element by definition), for example the $q^2=2$ case. I can ...
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$\sqrt{m}$ irrational

Thinking about it, I think I found the following criterion for irrationality of $\sqrt{m}$ if $m$ is a positive integer. Let $p_1^{a_1}\cdots p_k^{a_k}$ be the prime factorization of $m$. Then ...
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Difficult denomiator rationalization questions

These are two questions from a competitive exam involving irrationals where I am supposed to simplify it to match one of the given options. QUESTION 1: The value of $$ \frac {2 (\sqrt 2+ ...
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Find the values of k for which $\sqrt{1+\frac{k}{n}}$ is irrational.

I would like to find the positive integers $k$ for which $\sqrt{1+\frac{k}{n}}$ is irrational for all $n\in\mathbb{N}$. I was led to this question when I was making up an example for my class, and I ...
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Irrationality of Decimal Expansion of Primes

I've heard the proof that this number is irrational is accessible to even a novice to number theory: $\alpha = 0.2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 7 \ 11 \ 13 \ 17 \ldots$ The proof may utilize that a number is ...
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How do you solve a logarithm with a non-integer base?

How would one calculate the log of a number where the base isn't an integer (in particular, an irrational number)? For example: $$0.5^x = 8 \textrm{ (where } x = -3\textrm{)}$$ $$\log_{0.5}8 = -3$$ ...
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Is such a number necessarily irrational?

Suppose $(q_{n})_{n\in\mathbb{Z}_{\gt 0}}$ is a decreasing sequence of positive rational numbers such that $Q:=\displaystyle{\sum_{n>0}q_{n}}$ is finite. Let's denote by $n_{i}$ and $d_{i}$ the ...
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Is $\mathbb{R}\setminus\mathbb{Q}$ a union of countable family of closed sets?

Can we represent set of irrational numbers as union of countable family of closed sets?
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How to prove that the problem cannot be solved by the four Arithmetic Operations?

The original prolbem is as in the figure: Suppose the square has unit side length, find the area of blue region. The exact solution is: $$\begin{aligned}S=&\frac{\pi-\sqrt{7}}{4}+2 ...
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Does there exist a function that is continuous at every rational point and discontinuous at every irrational point? And vice versa?

Actually there are 2 questions, but they are closely related. Does it exist a function that is: Continuous at every rational point and discontinuous at every irrational point? Continuous at ...
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A density question

Let $\theta \in \mathbb{R} \setminus \mathbb{Q}$. Is the set $\{ (2n+1) \theta \bmod 1: n \in \mathbb{N} \}$ dense in $[0,1]$?
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Identify irrational basis of $\mathbb{Q}$-vector space

A real sequence $\mathbf{x}=(x_k)_{k\in\mathbb{N}_0}$ is of the form $$ x_k=\alpha r_k,\quad \alpha\in\mathbb{R}\backslash\mathbb{Q},\quad r_k\in\mathbb{Q},\tag{*} $$ if and only if all of its terms ...
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Prove that $(√3+2)^{m}$ is not a natural number for all natural numbers $m≥1$

The aim of this question is to show this lemma: Prove that $(√3+2)^{m}$ is not a natural number for all natural numbers $m≥1$.
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Sum of 2 different irrational logarithms = Irrational?

I am having some problems proving that the following sum is irrational or rational: $\log_2(3)+\log_3(2)$ = irrational. This is all I've got for now: $\log_2(3)=\frac mn \iff 2^{\frac mn}=3 \iff ...
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Nature of the range of $e^x$

Apart from the trivial cases, $x=\log a$ where $a\in\mathbb{Q}$, are all values of $e^x$ irrational? Are some transcendental?
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How to show that the product of two irrational numbers may be irrational?

Show that the product of two irrational numbers may be irrational. You may use any facts you know about the real numbers. All we know is that $\sqrt{2}$ is irrational and that $\sqrt{2}\cdot ...
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How do irrational numbers lie on the number line?

If we construct a square with side length 1, take its diagonal length : $\sqrt{2}$ However I still don't understand HOW it can lie on the number line. Imagine another irrational number $\pi = ...
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How can I prove that the square root of two prime numbers multiplied is non-rational number?

$P$ and $Q$ are two distinct prime numbers. How can I prove that $\sqrt{PQ}$ is an irrational number?
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Irrationality of sum of two logarithms

I try to prove that the number $$\log_2 5 +\log_3 5$$ is irrational. But I have no idea how to do it. Any hints are welcome.
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Constraining mathematics to a subset of $\mathbb{R}$

Let's imagine we're only using rational numbers for everything in mathematics. Problems arise quite soon when you try to calculate diagonals of squares or perhaps roots of something like $f(x)=x^2-2$. ...
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Does every plane curve contain a rational point?

Does every plane curve contain a rational point? I think the answer is yes, but I can not prove this. Please help. However, if it is possible to build a pathological curve - without rational points, ...
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Systematic way to represent any irrational number

I'm wondering if there's a way to symbolically (or is there a more lose constraint?) represent ANY irrational number in a systematic way. You can represent any rational number as two integers and I ...
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Proving the irrationality of $\sqrt{5}$

I am working on proving that $\sqrt{5}$ is irrational. I think I have the proof down, there is just one part I am stuck on. How do I prove that $x^2$ is divisible by 5 then x is also divisible by 5. ...
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$x$ positive, rational but not an integer. $x^x$ irrational.

Let $x$ be positive, rational, but not an integer. That means $x$ can be written as $\frac{p}{q}$ with $p,q$ coprime, $p,q \neq 0$ and $q \neq 1$. Is $x^x$ always irrational? I think that this has to ...
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Prove or disprove the rationality of $ x^y $

Prove or disprove: "If $x$ is a rational number, and $y$ is an irrational number then $x^y$ is irrational" I am stuck with this, these are my steps. let $x=2$ and $y=\sqrt{2}$ ...
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Quotient of two rational sequences and the nature of its limit

Suppose we have two sequences of rational numbers, $(p_i)_{i=1}^\infty$ and $(q_i)_{i=1}^\infty$, and suppose $$\lim_{i\to\infty}\frac{p_i}{q_i}=c<\infty,$$ where $c$ is known. Are there any ...
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Is it possible to not have irrational numbers?

(Math noob question): Is there a base that can be used like binary that produces no irrational numbers or numbers with an infinite amount of one number after the decimal (don't know the name)? I feel ...
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Proof of $\sqrt{n^2-4}, n\ge 3$ being irrational

Is the proof of $n\ge 3$, $\sqrt{n^2-4} \notin \mathbb{Q} \ \text{correct}$? $\sqrt{n^2-4} \in \mathbb{Q} \\ \sqrt{n^2-4} = \frac{p}{q} \\ (\sqrt{n^2-4})^2 = \left(\frac{p}{q}\right)^2 \\ ...
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Show that an expression is irrational

Show that for all $n\in \mathbb{N}$ the number $(\sqrt{2}-1)^n$ is irrational. I do not get the idea of the proof at all, any help appreaciated. edit: I am also thinking whether it will be possible ...
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$\Bbb{Q}$ is not complete: Carification regarding a proof

In class today we proved that $\Bbb{Q}$ is not complet, you used the fact that $$ \sum_{k=0}^N\frac{1}{k!}\underset{N\to+\infty}{\longrightarrow}e\notin\Bbb{Q}.$$ After that I was perplex to prove ...
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rational number plane vector space or not?

Two questions: 1. Is $\mathbb{Q}^2$ a vector space over the field $\mathbb{Q}$? 2. Is $\mathbb{Q}^2$ a vector space over the field $\mathbb{R}$? My answer to the first question is yes. Because the ...
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Is $x^{1-\frac{1}{n}}+ (1-x)^{1-\frac{1}{n}}$ always irrational?

Let $x$ be rational with $0<x<1$ and let $y$ be the rational defined by $y = 1 - x.$ Let $n$ be any natural number with $n>2.$ Then I want to prove that $$x^{(1-1/n)}+ y^{(1-1/n)}$$ will ...
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Irrational power of root

Let $a$ and $b$ be rational numbers, such that $\sqrt{a}$ and $\sqrt{b}$ are irrational. Can $\sqrt{a}^\sqrt{b}$ be rational? I found examples, where the irrational power of an irrational number is ...
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Proving that the square root of 5 is irrational

Prove that $\sqrt{5}$ is irrational. I begin with the identity $(\sqrt{5} + 2 )(\sqrt{5} - 2 ) = 1$. Then I am told to extract $\sqrt{5}$ from the first or second factor and consider it to be ...
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Application of the Rational Roots Theorem

Let f(x)=3x$^3$ - 40x$^2$ + 97x + 10 a. Find a rational number r such that f(r) = 0. (Hint: Use the rational roots theorem to narrow down possibilities for r.) So, I figured this part out. write r ...
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Monotone increasing sequence of rationals with an irrational limit

I am trying to use rationals in order to approximate irrationals. Is it possible to construct a monotonically increasing sequence of rationals the limit of which is an irrational? If so, how?
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What can be said about $\pi+e$ and $\pi e$? Are these numbers rational or irrational? [duplicate]

"homework" What can be said about $\pi+e$ and $\pi e$? Are these numbers rational or irrational? I know that both $\pi$ and $e$ are irrational. What can be said about $\pi+e$, and $\pi e$?
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Prove that if $x$ and $y$ are rational numbers and $y\ne 0$, then $x/y$ is a rational number

Prove that if $x$ and $y$ are rational numbers and $y\ne 0$, then $\frac{x}{y}$ is a rational number. How do I prove this, and also which proving method would I use? I'm confused between that and ...
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There is at most one way to represent a number as $a+b\sqrt 2$ with rational $a,b$

If $a,b,c,d\in\mathbb Q$ and $a+b\sqrt 2= c + d\sqrt 2$, then prove $a=c$ and $b=d$ ? I don't have any idea to solve this , it's freaking me out.
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Irrational roots of unity?

Is it possible to take irrational roots of unity? For example, say I wanted to solve $f(x)=(x+1)^{\sqrt{2}}=1$. I found that one solution is the obvious $x=0$, and another one can be written nicely as ...