Questions about Gödel's incompleteness theorems and related topics.

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show the set of valid second-order $\emptyset$-sentences is not R-enumerable

show the set of valid second-order $\emptyset$-sentences is not R-enumerable this would have the empty symbol set i.e. $S = \emptyset$ so it would be sentences that are universally or existentially ...
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Is it possible to show that a particular theorem or its negation is provable, without knowing which of the two is true?

I've been thinking about this for a while: as far as we know, is it possible that for a particular statement $\sigma$ of $\textsf{ZFC}$, we can prove that $(\textsf{ZFC} \vdash \sigma) \vee ...
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Is there an algorithm that when given a set of axioms, will generate a statement independent of those axioms?

Is there any mechanism or algorithm where one can generate mathematical statements/problems that are undecidable, i.e their proof is independent, from a certain set of axioms?
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How does PA prove all $\Delta_0$-formulas which are true in the standard model?

Let $\varphi(x_1,\dots,x_n)$ be a $\Delta_0$-formula, i.e. a formula in which every quantifier is bounded. I want to prove that $$ \text{PA}\vdash\varphi(\overline{n_1},\dots,\overline{n_k}) \iff ...
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Non-standard model of arithmetic and Gödel's theorem [closed]

This is a cross-post of a question asked on History of Science and Mathematics Stack Exchange. I've read Skolem's paper on his non-standard models of the arithmetic ("Über die ...
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particular property and completeness?

I was puzzeling with the almost standard definition of completeness: In mathematical logic and metalogic, a formal system is called complete with respect to a particular property if every formula ...
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Deductive closure of sentence $\forall x \forall y F(x,y) \stackrel{.}{=} F(y,x)$ in language $\mathcal{L}$ is undecidable.

$\mathcal{L}$ is the language that contains a single binary function symbol $F$. In the earlier parts of this question, we were told to take the $\mathcal{L}$-structure $\mathcal{M}$ with universe ...
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Lindebaum's Lemma seemingly inconsistent with Gödel's incompleteness theorem?

Lindenbaum's Lemma: Any consistent first order theory $K$ has a consistent complete extension. First Incompleteness Theorem: Any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary ...
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Why are all computable functions representable in PA?

I'm trying to understand the proof of the first incompleteness theorem, and more specifically, the diagonal lemma. Suppose $GN(x)$ is the Gödel Number of a formula $x$. The first step of the diagonal ...
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What does “Fixed-Point Lemma” says intuitively?

The lemma as stated in Enderton's logic says: Fixed-Point Lemma.   Given any formula $\beta$ in which only $v_1$ occurs free, we can find a sentence $\sigma$ such that $$ A_E \vdash ...
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Question about Godel's first incompleteness theorem and the theory within which it is proved

Please explain the error in my reasoning with this: Let T be a formal theory within which Godel's first incompleteness theorem can be proved. In other words... suppose when we write the proof of ...
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Do we know if the consistency of $ \mathsf{ZFC} $ is sufficient to prove that $ \mathsf{ZFC} \nvdash \text{Con}(\mathsf{ZFC}) \to \mathsf{SM} $?

This is basically a sequel to this earlier post. There, I asked: If $ \mathsf{ZFC} $ is consistent, then is $ \mathsf{ZFC} \nvdash \neg \text{Con}(\mathsf{ZFC}) $, i.e., $ \neg ...
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Reference request for the independence of $ \text{Con}(\mathsf{ZFC}) $.

Gödel’s Second Incompleteness Theorem says that if $ \mathsf{ZFC} $ is consistent, then $ \mathsf{ZFC} \nvdash \text{Con}(\mathsf{ZFC}) $, i.e., $ \text{Con}(\mathsf{ZFC}) $ is not provable in $ ...
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Confusion in Godel's numbering for subscripts

I don't understand how to represent subscripts in Godel's numbering. Suppose I have a formula: $$x_1 + sx_{11} = s(x_1 + x_{11})$$ and an encoding: then what should be the Godel Numbering? Should ...
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How does Godel Escher Bach support Artificial Intelligence? [closed]

Typically, Godel's Incompleteness theorems have been used to argue against the possibility that the human mind is essentially equivalent to a formal system. However, in Daniel Dennett's book "Darwin's ...
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Classifying Types of Paradoxes: Liar's Paradox, Et Alia

The well-known Liar's Paradox "This statement is false" leads to a recursive contradiction: If the statement is interpreted to be true then it is actually false, and if it is interpreted to be false ...
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Limit of Cauchy Sequence

Let $(X,d)$ be a metric space and $(x_n)$ be a Cauchy sequence in $X$. Is there a limit $x$ for $(x_n)$ whether $x$ in X or not ? In general, does every Cauchy sequence has a limit, if that limit ...
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Integer induction without infinity

In ZFC minus infinity (let us call this T), one can still define ordinals, and then define integers as ordinals all of whose members are zero or successor ordinals. I am looking for a formula $\psi$ ...
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Does “provable” include “proved by reduction to absrdity”?

The incompleteness says that formal logic system (under certain condition) contains non provable TRUE sentence. It seems that "prove" means here "derive". Only TRUE sentence could be proved. If a ...
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Formalisms of Mathematics in Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem

Unfortunately I have been more or less introduced to Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem(s?) via computer science and Turing machines, and we haven't addressed them very rigorously. My professor often says ...
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Why can PA + $\neg G_{PA}$ be consistent?

Wikipedia and other sources claim that $PA +\neg G_{PA}$ can be consistent, where $\neg G_{PA}$ is the Gödel statement for PA. So what is the error in my reasoning? $G_{PA}$ = "$G_{PA}$ is ...
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Incompleteness of formal systems as opposed to completeness of a non-formal theory

I have read that Gödel's incompleteness theorem does not apply to real closed field theory. But the incompleteness theorem applies only to formal systems, that is systems whose alphabet of symbols and ...
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Are Gödel's incompleteness theorems really about primitive recursive functions?

Any formulation of Gödel's incompleteness theorems seems to involve arithmetic. Why is arithmetic so fundamental? After thinking about the issue a little bit, I came to the conclusion that the ...
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Is there a relationship between Turing's Halting theorem and Gödel Incompleteness

Turing's proof that a Halting oracle is impossible and Gödel's proof that and omega-consistent first order theory of arithmetic must be incomplete are similar in that they use self-referential ...
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question about Gödel numbering

I have a question about Gödel numbering, it is trivial but I would like to know how can you know the length of an expression through its Gödel number. ¿? I think you can use a recursive function but ...
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How is Goedel's 1st incompleteness theorem related to the Axioms of a theory [closed]

i am thinking of various connections and formulations of Goedel's 1st incompleteness theorem. Apart from connections to Turing's Halting Problem and Algorithmic Complexity Theory, i am looking for ...
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Modern book on Gödel's incompleteness theorems in all technical details

Is there a modern book on Gödel's incompleteness theorems that goes into each and every technical aspect of the proof of them (a classical one, if such exists)? I'm not interested in popular ...
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Understanding Rosser's Theorem

Initial Situation For some time now I'm trying to understand a proof for Rosser's Theorem -- the proof given in Smorynski's article "The Incompleteness Theorems" (here is a first entry from google: ...
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Closed term conditions in PA

The situation I have to transfer statements from the "recursive world" into the "$\color{red}{\text{syntactical world}}$", in the context of binumerability of primitive recursive predicates into the ...
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Is there a difference between induction in Peano Arithmetic and Presburger Arithmetic

Following this question I still do not get clearly the difference between defining exponentiation in PA but impossiblity of recursively define multiplication in Presburger Arithmetics I was thinking ...
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Explanation of $\mathrm{ZFC} + \lnot \mathrm{Con(ZFC)}$

I read in JDH's answer to this mathoverflow question that $\mathrm{ZFC}$ is equiconsistent with $\mathrm{ZFC} + \lnot \mathrm{Con(ZFC)}$. But this second statement is a bit weird. What does ...
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diagonalization about incompleteness

In the Enderton's logic book(page 186-187), he writes 'diagonalization approach' for proving undefinability of $\#Th\mathfrak{N}=\{\#\tau |\vDash_{\mathfrak{N}}\tau \}$ where $\#\tau$ is the godel ...
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Why is Gödel's Second Incompleteness Theorem important?

Given that the consistency of a system can be proven outside of the given formal system, Gödel says, It must be noted that proposition XI... represents no contradiction to the formalities ...
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Proving divergence of a sequence in a normed linear space

My aim is to prove that the space $(C_\mathbb{R}[0,1],||•||)$, where $||•||=\int_{0}^{1} t(1-t)|f(t)|dt$, is not complete. I have already proved that the sequence $(f_n)$ defined by ...
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Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem in “Gödel, Escher, Bach”

Ok, so I'm reading the chapter on Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem in "Gödel, Escher, Bach" and I want to make sure I'm getting this right: the idea of the book's proof is to form the sentence "There ...
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Is the probabilitistic distribution of the digits in the Chaitin's constant computable?

The Chaitin constant can in principle be computed with exponential effort on each sucessive digit by brute forcing all programs of a given length and simply proving special theorems on each case that ...
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What is the mathematical meaning of this statement made by Gödel (see details)? [closed]

It appears as Proposition VI, in Gödel's 1931 paper "On Formally Undecidable Propositions in Principia Mathematica and Related Systems I" : "To every $\omega$-consistent recursive class $\kappa$ ...
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Gödel's Second Incompleteness Theorem and Arithmetically Non-Definable Theories

My recursion theory knowledge has become a bit rusty, so I will appreciate any corrections for misstatements. Gödel's incompleteness theorem is often exploited by philosophical discussions which ...
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Incompleteness theorem

Correct me if I am wrong at any point! Godel's incompleteness theorem allows us to express "PA is consistent" in the language of Peano arithmetic, and shows that this is not provable in PA. Let's ...
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How can you come to the truth of a statement without proving it?

I was reading a bit about Gödel's incompleteness theorems. I haven't took the time to really study it, but I'm very curious about statements like these: In other words, if our axioms are ...
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Why is the set of all true first-order statements about non-negative integers in the language with only equality, $+$ and $\times$ undecidable?

Apparently Tarski and Mostowski proved this, but intuitively I'm not seeing the difference between statements in a language of non-negative integers with equality, addition, and multiplication vs ...
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Is there a mistake in the SEP article about Godel's Incompleteness theorems?

Update: The mistake referred to in this question has now been corrected. The below refers to a previous version of the article: The second supplement to the Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy ...
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Does Gödel's incompleteness theorem contradict itself?

I have problems understanding Gödel's incompleteness theorem. I presume I have a misunderstanding of some phrase or I have to look closer at the meaning of some detail. Gödel's second incompleteness ...
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Trouble Reading “On Formally Undecidable Propositions”

I've been working my way through Godel's original paper of the incompleteness theorem in my spare time, and I'm stuck with something stupidly simple. I'm looking at the list of 45 definitions of ...
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“The set of all true statements of first order logic”

In one of my lectures, the lecturer put a bunch of examples of sets on the board, stuff like the set of all humans, set of all well typed programs in some programming language, the set of all true ...
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Lindenbaum's Lemma

I am working on the proof of the Lindenbaum's lemma and there are some passages which are not very clear for me. Here is the statement: Let $\mathbb{L}$ a countable signature, $T$ a consistent set of ...
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The existence of concatenation functions in Godel Numbering?

I know that there are many schema of Gödel Numbering, and each has its own method of Concatenation, n★m. But is there a general proof that shows 'For every Gödel Numbering scheme there exists a ...
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How to prove that Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems apply to ZFC?

Let us denote Robinson Arithmetic as Q and Primitive Recursive Arithmetic as PRA. Let $T$ be a formal theory formulated in the language of arithmetic. According to this page on the Stanford ...
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Can unprovability unprovable? Is there an $\omega$-fold unprovability?

I was just thinking about unprovability. I just wanted to know if it is possible to make a concrete boundary between provable problems and unprovable problems in a certain axiomatic system. We know ...