Questions about Gödel's incompleteness theorems and related topics.

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Decidability of equality of two set-theoretical terms constructed without replacement or specification

Define the set of NS-terms (NS is for "no schemes") to be the smallest set of terms satisfying the following rules : $\emptyset,\omega$ are NS-terms. if $x$ and $y$ are NS-terms, then so are $x\cup ...
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Why does Gödel's (First) Incompleteness Theorem apply to ZFC?

Okay, so I'm reading Smullyan's book on Gödel's incompleteness theorems, and I've just about finished the part where he shows that Peano arithmetic is incomplete using Tarski's truth set (chapter IV). ...
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Absolutely undecidable statements in Peano arithmetic

Let "Undec(x)" be a predicate in Peano Arithmetic that says "x is the Gödel number of a sentence that is neither provable nor refutable" It is easy to see that this predicate is in fact expressible in ...
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Enumerating the reals using a definability hierarchy

(edit : for those perplexed with the meaning of "truth" in the following, let us say we believe in the consistency of ZFC, use the completeness theorem and reason in a fixed model $M$ of ZFC. The ...
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Does semantic inconsistency guarantee syntactic inconsistency?

I'm wondering about the possibility of circumventing the problem of incompleteness posed by Roger Penrose in his book "Shadows of the Mind". It occurred to me (and, Googling has revealed to me, ...
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Since arithmetic has a model (thus it is consistent) why care if consistency can't be proved?

Since arithmetic has a model, the numbers as we know them, it is consistent. Why do we care if consistency can't be proved within arithmetic? Do I miss something, ie in what we can consider a model?
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Gödels incompleteness vs incompleteness

This has been nagging me, and might be an unfit question, but still: I've been taught that completeness of a theory $T$ means that for any sentence $\varphi$ in the language of the theory, we have ...
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How to show incompleteness of second order logic?

I'm trying to see/show that second order logic (with full semantics) is incomplete - i.e. that there are sentences that are true in all models of some theory $T$, and yet still can not be proved from ...
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What is wrong with this “proof” that there is no $\omega$th inaccessible cardinal?

"Theorem": There is no $\omega$th inaccessible cardinal. "Proof": Assume ZFC. Let $\kappa_n$ be the $n$-th inaccessible cardinal; since $V_\kappa$ is a model of ZFC for inaccessible $\kappa$, ...
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Consistent, complete axiom system that proves its own consistency

Is there a consistent, complete axiom system that proves its own consistency? I know that this question isn't exact and I haven't defined when an axiom system proves its own consistency because ...
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Peano and consistency, how to understand it rightly.

I'm struggling with the notion of consistency, and a few cases : I'm writing in the following $Con(T)$ to denote the arithmetic formula which expresses the consistency of $T$, for $T$ a consistent ...
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Why is $\omega$-consistency needed in Gödel's original Incompleteness proof?

I don't see why the original version of Gödel's first incompleteness theorem (before Rosser's improvement, I mean) had to include the assumption of $\omega$-consistency in order to show that $F ...
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Why a system becomes incomplete once it's capable of doing arithmetic?

For a Formal axiomatic system to obey Godel's incompleteness theorems, It has to be powerful enough to incorporate Peano Axioms. Why It does not apply to say, Presburger arithmetic or the axioms of ...
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Algorithm to force decidability of statements using an intuitionistic series of new axioms

Say that a set $\Phi$ is a finite set of statements in Peano arithmetic is meekly consistent if it contains no "inner,immediate" contradiction, i.e. for any statements $\alpha,\beta$, it does not ...
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prove that it's not provable

Is it possible to prove that you can't prove some theorem? For example: Prove that you can't prove the Riemann hypothesis. I have a feeling it's not possible but I want to know for sure. Thanks in ...
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show the set of valid second-order $\emptyset$-sentences is not R-enumerable

show the set of valid second-order $\emptyset$-sentences is not R-enumerable this would have the empty symbol set i.e. $S = \emptyset$ so it would be sentences that are universally or existentially ...
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Is it possible to show that a particular theorem or its negation is provable, without knowing which of the two is true?

I've been thinking about this for a while: as far as we know, is it possible that for a particular statement $\sigma$ of $\textsf{ZFC}$, we can prove that $(\textsf{ZFC} \vdash \sigma) \vee ...
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Is there an algorithm that when given a set of axioms, will generate a statement independent of those axioms?

Is there any mechanism or algorithm where one can generate mathematical statements/problems that are undecidable, i.e their proof is independent, from a certain set of axioms?
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How does PA prove all $\Delta_0$-formulas which are true in the standard model?

Let $\varphi(x_1,\dots,x_n)$ be a $\Delta_0$-formula, i.e. a formula in which every quantifier is bounded. I want to prove that $$ \text{PA}\vdash\varphi(\overline{n_1},\dots,\overline{n_k}) \iff ...
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Non-standard model of arithmetic and Gödel's theorem [closed]

This is a cross-post of a question asked on History of Science and Mathematics Stack Exchange. I've read Skolem's paper on his non-standard models of the arithmetic ("Über die ...
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particular property and completeness?

I was puzzeling with the almost standard definition of completeness: In mathematical logic and metalogic, a formal system is called complete with respect to a particular property if every formula ...
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Deductive closure of sentence $\forall x \forall y F(x,y) \stackrel{.}{=} F(y,x)$ in language $\mathcal{L}$ is undecidable.

$\mathcal{L}$ is the language that contains a single binary function symbol $F$. In the earlier parts of this question, we were told to take the $\mathcal{L}$-structure $\mathcal{M}$ with universe ...
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Lindebaum's Lemma seemingly inconsistent with Gödel's incompleteness theorem?

Lindenbaum's Lemma: Any consistent first order theory $K$ has a consistent complete extension. First Incompleteness Theorem: Any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary ...
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Why are all computable functions representable in PA?

I'm trying to understand the proof of the first incompleteness theorem, and more specifically, the diagonal lemma. Suppose $GN(x)$ is the Gödel Number of a formula $x$. The first step of the diagonal ...
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What does “Fixed-Point Lemma” says intuitively?

The lemma as stated in Enderton's logic says: Fixed-Point Lemma.   Given any formula $\beta$ in which only $v_1$ occurs free, we can find a sentence $\sigma$ such that $$ A_E \vdash ...
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Question about Godel's first incompleteness theorem and the theory within which it is proved

Please explain the error in my reasoning with this: Let T be a formal theory within which Godel's first incompleteness theorem can be proved. In other words... suppose when we write the proof of ...
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Do we know if the consistency of $ \mathsf{ZFC} $ is sufficient to prove that $ \mathsf{ZFC} \nvdash \text{Con}(\mathsf{ZFC}) \to \mathsf{SM} $?

This is basically a sequel to this earlier post. There, I asked: If $ \mathsf{ZFC} $ is consistent, then is $ \mathsf{ZFC} \nvdash \neg \text{Con}(\mathsf{ZFC}) $, i.e., $ \neg ...
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Reference request for the independence of $ \text{Con}(\mathsf{ZFC}) $.

Gödel’s Second Incompleteness Theorem says that if $ \mathsf{ZFC} $ is consistent, then $ \mathsf{ZFC} \nvdash \text{Con}(\mathsf{ZFC}) $, i.e., $ \text{Con}(\mathsf{ZFC}) $ is not provable in $ ...
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Confusion in Godel's numbering for subscripts

I don't understand how to represent subscripts in Godel's numbering. Suppose I have a formula: $$x_1 + sx_{11} = s(x_1 + x_{11})$$ and an encoding: then what should be the Godel Numbering? Should ...
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How does Godel Escher Bach support Artificial Intelligence? [closed]

Typically, Godel's Incompleteness theorems have been used to argue against the possibility that the human mind is essentially equivalent to a formal system. However, in Daniel Dennett's book "Darwin's ...
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Classifying Types of Paradoxes: Liar's Paradox, Et Alia

The well-known Liar's Paradox "This statement is false" leads to a recursive contradiction: If the statement is interpreted to be true then it is actually false, and if it is interpreted to be false ...
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Limit of Cauchy Sequence

Let $(X,d)$ be a metric space and $(x_n)$ be a Cauchy sequence in $X$. Is there a limit $x$ for $(x_n)$ whether $x$ in X or not ? In general, does every Cauchy sequence has a limit, if that limit ...
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Integer induction without infinity

In ZFC minus infinity (let us call this T), one can still define ordinals, and then define integers as ordinals all of whose members are zero or successor ordinals. I am looking for a formula $\psi$ ...
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Does “provable” include “proved by reduction to absrdity”?

The incompleteness says that formal logic system (under certain condition) contains non provable TRUE sentence. It seems that "prove" means here "derive". Only TRUE sentence could be proved. If a ...
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Formalisms of Mathematics in Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem

Unfortunately I have been more or less introduced to Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem(s?) via computer science and Turing machines, and we haven't addressed them very rigorously. My professor often says ...
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Why can PA + $\neg G_{PA}$ be consistent?

Wikipedia and other sources claim that $PA +\neg G_{PA}$ can be consistent, where $\neg G_{PA}$ is the Gödel statement for PA. So what is the error in my reasoning? $G_{PA}$ = "$G_{PA}$ is ...
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Incompleteness of formal systems as opposed to completeness of a non-formal theory

I have read that Gödel's incompleteness theorem does not apply to real closed field theory. But the incompleteness theorem applies only to formal systems, that is systems whose alphabet of symbols and ...
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Are Gödel's incompleteness theorems really about primitive recursive functions?

Any formulation of Gödel's incompleteness theorems seems to involve arithmetic. Why is arithmetic so fundamental? After thinking about the issue a little bit, I came to the conclusion that the ...
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Is there a relationship between Turing's Halting theorem and Gödel Incompleteness

Turing's proof that a Halting oracle is impossible and Gödel's proof that and omega-consistent first order theory of arithmetic must be incomplete are similar in that they use self-referential ...
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question about Gödel numbering

I have a question about Gödel numbering, it is trivial but I would like to know how can you know the length of an expression through its Gödel number. ¿? I think you can use a recursive function but ...
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How is Goedel's 1st incompleteness theorem related to the Axioms of a theory [closed]

i am thinking of various connections and formulations of Goedel's 1st incompleteness theorem. Apart from connections to Turing's Halting Problem and Algorithmic Complexity Theory, i am looking for ...
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Modern book on Gödel's incompleteness theorems in all technical details

Is there a modern book on Gödel's incompleteness theorems that goes into each and every technical aspect of the proof of them (a classical one, if such exists)? I'm not interested in popular ...
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Understanding Rosser's Theorem

Initial Situation For some time now I'm trying to understand a proof for Rosser's Theorem -- the proof given in Smorynski's article "The Incompleteness Theorems" (here is a first entry from google: ...
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Closed term conditions in PA

The situation I have to transfer statements from the "recursive world" into the "$\color{red}{\text{syntactical world}}$", in the context of binumerability of primitive recursive predicates into the ...
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Is there a difference between induction in Peano Arithmetic and Presburger Arithmetic

Following this question I still do not get clearly the difference between defining exponentiation in PA but impossiblity of recursively define multiplication in Presburger Arithmetics I was thinking ...
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Explanation of $\mathrm{ZFC} + \lnot \mathrm{Con(ZFC)}$

I read in JDH's answer to this mathoverflow question that $\mathrm{ZFC}$ is equiconsistent with $\mathrm{ZFC} + \lnot \mathrm{Con(ZFC)}$. But this second statement is a bit weird. What does ...
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diagonalization about incompleteness

In the Enderton's logic book(page 186-187), he writes 'diagonalization approach' for proving undefinability of $\#Th\mathfrak{N}=\{\#\tau |\vDash_{\mathfrak{N}}\tau \}$ where $\#\tau$ is the godel ...
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Why is Gödel's Second Incompleteness Theorem important?

Given that the consistency of a system can be proven outside of the given formal system, Gödel says, It must be noted that proposition XI... represents no contradiction to the formalities ...
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Proving divergence of a sequence in a normed linear space

My aim is to prove that the space $(C_\mathbb{R}[0,1],||•||)$, where $||•||=\int_{0}^{1} t(1-t)|f(t)|dt$, is not complete. I have already proved that the sequence $(f_n)$ defined by ...