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Questions about Gödel's incompleteness theorems and related topics.

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Can unprovability unprovable? Is there an $\omega$-fold unprovability?

I was just thinking about unprovability. I just wanted to know if it is possible to make a concrete boundary between provable problems and unprovable problems in a certain axiomatic system. We know ...
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Problems with nesting proof predicates in first order logic.

Whenever I start nesting proof predicates, I always seems to run into these bizarre situations. I was wondering if anyone knows about this and could shed some light on it or provide me with some ...
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Proof of “If $ZFC$ proves there is an inaccessible cardinal, then $ZFC$ is inconsistent”.

Let $I$ be the statement "there is an inaccessible cardinal". I'm aware of two proofs of "If $ZFC\vdash I$ then $ZFC$ is inconsistent". One proof uses the Second Incompleteness Theorem, which I ...
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set theory, Incompleteness and axiomatic systems

Is the number of theorems that can be proved (decidable) within a certain set of axioms (for instance ZFC) is finite or infinite ? in other words, are we going to fully exhaust that set of axioms (...
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Boolean Algebra and Godel

Can anyone give an example of a theorem in Boolean Algebra that isn't immediately obvious to someone with a computer that can construct a truth table? Clearly no propisition that can be proved using ...
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In Godel's first incompleteness theorem the Godel sentence G is true otherwise it contradicts itself, however its truth implies it is not provable .

How can this be? I understand there are two basic definitions of truth in mathematics, one being the formalist definition which includes excluded middle and the second form being the intuitionist in ...
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Do we know that if $\pi$ is normal then there is a proof of it?

We do not know whether $\pi$ is normal or it is not and many other weaker statements, e.g. (*) $\pi$ contains infinitely many $0$s. Inspired by the Godel's incompleteness theorem that there are some ...
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Is there an algorithm that when given a set of axioms, will generate a statement independent of those axioms?

Is there any mechanism or algorithm where one can generate mathematical statements/problems that are undecidable, i.e their proof is independent, from a certain set of axioms?
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How can I imagine a model of $\mathsf{(ZF-Inf)} + \neg \mathsf{Con(ZF-Inf)}$?

Gödel's second incompleteness theorem states that if $\mathsf{ZF-Inf}$ is consistent, then $\mathsf{ZF-Inf} \nvdash \mathsf{Con(ZF-Inf)}$. Moreover, if $\mathsf{(ZF-Inf)} + \neg \mathsf{Con(ZF-Inf)}$ ...
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Godel's completeness theorem and formula that states consistency of ZF

Godel's completeness theorem, in original formulation, says that every logically valid statement/formula has finite deduction of a formula. Now then there is Godel's incompleteness theorem. Would this ...
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Expressibility of Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem

Can Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem be expressed as a formal sentence in ZFC and be proven formally or is it inherently meta-mathematical? (Note: I am referring to the theorem itself, not the ...
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Can two distinct formulae (or series of formulae) have the same Gödel number?

As I am studying Gödel's incompleteness theorem I am wondering if two distinct formulae or series of formulae can have the same Gödel number? Or the function mapping each formula or series of formulae ...
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Gödel's proof method and fundamental theorem of arithmetic

I am a novice to Gödel's proof (the theorem that consistency contradicts completeness), and, as it seems to me, he uses the fundamental theorem of arithmetic to uniquely number any formula. My ...
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Could it be that Goldbach conjecture is undecidable?

The result closest to Goldbach conjecture is Chen's theorem [Sci. Sinica 16 157–176], the proposition 1+2''. It is natural to ask if it is likely that under our arithmetic axioms the Goldbach ...
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If a statement holds for all standard models of PA, then does it hold for all models?

Suppose that $\varphi$ is a consequence of every standard model of PA. Then is it provable from PA?
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Gödel's way of teaching non-standard models to Takeuti.

In Memoirs of a Proof Theorist, Gaisi Takeuti relates how Gödel taught him about nonstandard models in an "interesting" way: It went as follows. Let T be a theory with a nonstandard model. By ...
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particular property and completeness?

I was puzzeling with the almost standard definition of completeness: In mathematical logic and metalogic, a formal system is called complete with respect to a particular property if every formula ...
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Criticism on truth of Gödel sentence in standard interpretation

Mendelson in his book mentioned the Gödel sentence and argued that in standard interpretation it is true. But Peter Milne in his article (On Godel Sentences and What They Say) criticized: "But we know ...
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Truth of Godel's sentence in standard interpretation

It is siad that the Godel's sentence: g is true in the standard interpretation. But I have problem in truth of g in the standard interpretation. We proved that if theory K is consistent g is not ...
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Gödel incompleteness theorem [closed]

Gödel incompleteness theorem states that any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete.So what are some Gödel sentences about ...
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What follows from Incompleteness about provability of partial correctness?

A colleague and I can't figure out what our professor is getting at with this question: What follows from the incompleteness theorems about the provability of partial correctness assertions? What ...
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Undecidable sentence in Godel's incompleteness theorem

In Godel's incompleteness theorem, the undecidable sentence is g: I am not provable. Ok. I accepted it and realized that in satandard interpretation it is true. So we found a true sentence which ...
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Scapegoat theory and PA

A theory T is scapegoat if for every formula A with only one free variable there exist a closed term s such that T proves: (∃x(¬A(x)))⇒¬A(s) I think it is an expectable property for each theory since ...
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Understanding ω-consistent and ω-incomplete theory

A theory $K$ is said to be $ω$-consistent if, for every formula $B(x)$ of $K$, if $﹁ B(n)$ is a theorem in $K$ for every natural number $n$, then it is not the case that $(∃x)B(x)$ is a theorem in $K$....
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Concrete example for diagonal lemma

Diagonal lemma says that in a theory with enough assumption for any formula $A(x)$ there exist a sentence $B$ such that $B$ $\iff$ $A(\#(B))$ is a theorem in that theory, in which $\#(B)$ represents ...
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How did Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem affect the mathematical world?

Hi I am looking not to understand the Incompleteness Theorem, but to find out more about how and what this has effected the mathematics world. I am in high school, in Honors Algebra II, and I am ...
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How is Goedel's 1st incompleteness theorem related to the Axioms of a theory [closed]

i am thinking of various connections and formulations of Goedel's 1st incompleteness theorem. Apart from connections to Turing's Halting Problem and Algorithmic Complexity Theory, i am looking for ...
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Why doesn't “$V$ is a model of $ZF$” imply consistency of ZF?

One can prove that $V$, Von Neumann's universe, satisfies all of $ZF$ axioms, so it's a model of $ZF$. But I can't see why this doesn't imply the consistency of that theorem. I'm aware that ...
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Is Douglas Hofstadter's version of Godel's proof utter nonsense?

Is Douglas Hofstadter's version of Godel's proof, which he offers in his book Godel, Escher, Bach, utter nonsense? Hofstadter goes to great length to disguise the fact that there are two distinct ...
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Maths, esp. Godel, and poetry

At the risk of being an interloper: I'm a poet with a bit of mathematical training. Right now I've got a grant from the Arts Council of Northern Ireland to write a collection (loosely) based on the ...
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If $T$ proves any incorrect $\forall$-rudimentary sentence, then $T$ is inconsistent

A theory $T$ in the language of arithmetic is called $\omega$-inconsistent if for some formula $F(x)$, $\exists x F(x)$ is a theorem of $T$, but so is $\neg F(n)$ for each natural number $n$. ...
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Gödel's incompleteness theorems: where to learn? Is there a straightforward relation between the two?

What would be a good textbook or paper to learn the proofs of the two Gödel's incompleteness theorems from? I would prefer it to be as close to the original proofs as possible. I have not tried to ...
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Modern book on Gödel's incompleteness theorems in all technical details

Is there a modern book on Gödel's incompleteness theorems that goes into each and every technical aspect of the proof of them (a classical one, if such exists)? I'm not interested in popular ...
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Must every decidable theory be axiomatizable?

Note: By "theory" I mean a set of sentences, not assumed to be closed under logical consequence (otherwise the question would be trivial). Comments/ideas: There's a well-known result that every ...
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Peano's theory of arithmetic and Gödel's 1st Incompleteness Theorem

Let $\mathcal{N}$ be Peano's 1st order theory of arithmetic and $\mathscr{A}$ it's standard model (which we assume exists). Infer from Gödel's 1st Incompleteness Theorem that there exists a closed ...
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What other unprovable theorems are there? [duplicate]

Gödel's incompleteness theorem presents us with the possibility of having theorems that are neither provable nor disprovable in a given axiomatic set. Already we have the continuum hypothesis which ...
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Gödel's (in)completeness theorems and the axiomatization of Euclidean geometry

In David Hilbert's 1899 Grundlagen der Geometrie, Hilbert gives a rigorous axiomatization of Euclidean geometry. As I understand it, some of Hilbert's axioms must be expressed in second order logic (...
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How can a statement be known to be undecidable in ZFC without ZFC being inconsistent?

I'm attempting to understand the answer to the question, Is there a statement whose undecidability is undecidable (as in independent, not a decision problem)? The answer appears to be "Yes". However, ...
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Elementary references on Robinson Arithmetic, Prim. Recursive fns etc.

I'm in the middle of revising my freely available and much-downloaded introductory notes Gödel Without (Too Many) Tears. (They are a sort of cut down version of part of my Gödel book, and I'm ...
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Any “natural” examples of true statements in number theory not provable in 2nd order systems?

I know that there are a few theorems in number theory that are somehow known to be true, but have been shown not to be provable in first-order Peano arithmetic (PA). Have any so-called "natural" ...
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Is this possibility ruled out by Godel's Incompleteness Theorem?

From Wikipedia: "The first incompleteness theorem states that no consistent system of axioms whose theorems can be listed by an "effective procedure" (e.g., a computer program, but it could be any ...