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How does cf(cf $\alpha$) = cf $\alpha$?

Assume $\alpha > 0$ is a limit ordinal, and cf $\alpha=$ the least ordinal $\beta$ such that there is an increasing $\beta$-sequence $\langle \alpha_\xi \, \colon\, \, \xi < \beta\rangle$ that ...
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Question about the proof of this lemma: If $\alpha$, $\beta$ are ordinals, then either $\alpha \subset \beta$ or $\beta \subset \alpha.$

Proof: Clearly $\alpha \cap \beta$ is an ordinal, $\alpha \cap \beta = \gamma.$ Then $\gamma = \alpha$ or $\gamma = \beta$. For, if not, then $\gamma \not= \alpha$ and $\gamma \not= \beta$. Then ...
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Finding two functions, $f, g$, such that $\mathrm{sup}(g \circ f[\omega]) < \mathrm{sup} (g[\omega + \omega])$

I've been working for some time on Schimmerling's A course on Set Theory, and, thanks to you guys, I'm now almost finishing chapter 3 on ordinals (hah!). In one of the last exercises, he ask us to ...
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How to define an isomorphism between $^\omega\omega$ and $\omega^\omega$?

Let $^\omega\omega$ be the set of all functions $x: \omega \to \omega$. Define $A = \{x \in ^\omega\omega \; | \; x \text{ has finite support}\}$, where by "finite support" I mean that the set $\{x(n) ...
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How to show $A_1 \approx A_2 \iff \mathrm{card}(A_1)=\mathrm{card}(A_2)$

For any set $A_1$ and $A_2$, let us define the relation $\approx$ if there exists a bijection between $A_1$ and $A_2$. Then I want to show that $A_1 \approx A_2 \iff ...
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Ordinal $10^\omega$

$10^\omega$ = $10 \cdot 10 \cdot 10 \cdot ...= \lim_{\alpha \lt \omega} (10^\alpha) = \omega$. Are my thoughts correct? Is this sufficient explanation, given the ordinal arithemtic proved from ZFC?
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Biggest countable ordinal number

I need to find biggest countable ordinal number. But I am sure there is no one, if I understand proofs and definitions correctly. So here are my idea: Suppose there is biggest countable ordinal number ...
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Proving a relation between Ordinal Exponentiation and its corresponding set

(Characterization of Ordinal Exponentiation) Let $\alpha$ and $\beta$ be ordinals. For f:$\alpha \rightarrow \beta$, let s(f)={$\epsilon < \alpha|f(\epsilon) \not= 0$}. Let S($\alpha, ...
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Finite set of rank $\alpha$

Defining the rank function $\in$-recursively as $\text{rank}(x)=\bigcup\{\text{rank}(y)^{+}\mid y\in x\}$ for a set $x$, for which ordinals $\alpha$ does there exist a finite set of rank $\alpha$? And ...
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Different types of well-ordering of $\mathbb{N}$

The question is: "Find 3 non-isomorpic with each other well-orderings of $\mathbb{N}$. Define their ordinals and arrange them in magnitude." The question in ZFC, but I only know that such ...
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Are these ordinals cardinals?

Consider $\omega_2 \times \omega$ and $\omega \times \omega_2$ with ordinal arithmetic. Then $| \omega_2 \times \omega | =\omega_2$ and $| \omega \times \omega_2 | =\omega_2$ Does this imply ...
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Why study cardinals, ordinals and the like?

Why is the study of infinite cardinals, ordinals and the like so prevalent in set theory and logic? What's so interesting about infinite cardinals beyond $\aleph _0 $ and $\mathfrak{c} $? It seems ...
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Countable limit ordinal as limit of $\omega$ ordinals

I've got a most probably silly question, but I can't find the answer to it: If $\alpha$ is a countable limit ordinal, how can we be sure that there exist ordinals $\alpha_n$ such that $\alpha = ...
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Element of ordinal a subset of the same ordinal

I've got a very short question in set theory. I am currently reading P. T. Johnstone's book Notes on Logic and set theory, and the proof of the fact that Every element of an ordinal is a subset of ...
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Is a limit ordinal necessarily a cardinal?

Maybe this is a trivial question. I see that every infinite cardinal is necessarily a limit ordinal, but is the converse true ?
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Is the cardinality of an ordinal, $\alpha$ less than $\alpha$?

Let $k^+=\{\alpha : \alpha \hspace{2mm} \text{is an ordinal,and} \hspace{2mm} |\alpha|<\kappa\}$ where $k^+$ is an infinite cardinal. I am trying to understand the proof the the following ...
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Prove: Suppose $\alpha > 1$ and $\beta, \gamma$ are ordinals with $\beta < \gamma$. Then $\alpha^\beta < \alpha^\gamma$.

In this question, $\alpha$, $\beta$ and $\gamma$ are ordinals. I want to prove this by transfinite induction on $\gamma$, which typically has two or three cases. I'm considering three cases: the base ...
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On the proof that every ordinal is either the initial ordinal, a successor ordinal or a limit ordinal.

I was reading this paper http://www.math.umn.edu/~garrett/m/algebra/notes/14.pdf (p. 206, or p. 8 on a pdf) on Naive Set Theory on the proof that every ordinal is either the initial ordinal (empty ...
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Conjecture about ordinal exponentiation: $n^ω=ω$ $\forall n\in\mathbb{N}$-{0,1}

Let $ω$ be the ordinal of the natural numbers. I think this is true: $n^ω=ω$ $\forall n\in\mathbb{N}-${0,1} Am i right? If I am wrong, is it true for any $n\in\mathbb{N}$?
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Ordinal addition is associative

We've been asked to teach ourselves a unit on ordinals for our final exam tomorrow, I grasp how to prove that certain ordinals are distinct but I am having trouble figuring out a proof to show ordinal ...
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An alternative succinct proof needed for trivial cardinality fact

Let $|X|$ denote the cardinality of a set, i.e. the least ordinal $\alpha$ such that there is a bijection between X and $\alpha$. For any sets $X$ and $Y$ we write $X\preccurlyeq Y$ if the exists an ...
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Existence of a function from ordinal to limit ordinal of the same cardinality

Let $\alpha$ be a limit ordinal, such that $\big | \alpha \big | = \omega$. Prove that there is a strictly increasing function $f: \omega \to \alpha$ such that for all $\zeta < \alpha$ there is $n ...
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Ordinal Arithmetic sufficient condition that a + c < b + c

I know that in general ordinal addition is not strictly increasing in the left argument (as in $0+ \omega = n+\omega$). Now I have a fixed countable ordinal $\delta$ and a natural number $k$. My ...
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Weak monotonicity of ordinal addition

I'm trying to prove the weak monotonicity of ordinal addition, i.e. if $\alpha \leq \beta$, then $\alpha + \gamma \leq \beta + \gamma$. The proof is not all that difficult, but I want to make sure I ...
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Prove using transfinite induction that if ordinals $\alpha$ and $\beta$ are countable, then so is $\alpha + \beta$.

This question requires using transfinite induction. I plan to fix $\alpha$ and then do transfinite induction on $\beta$. Recall that an ordinal $\alpha$ is countable if $\alpha < \omega_1$, where ...
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Prove that for every three ordinals $\beta \lt \gamma \Rightarrow \alpha+\beta \lt \alpha+\gamma$

Prove that for every three ordinals $\alpha,\beta,\gamma$ we have $\beta \lt \gamma \Rightarrow \alpha+\beta \lt \alpha+\gamma$ It's obvious if all of them are finite, also if only alpha is ...
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What is the usual definition of “ordinal number”?

My definition for the ordinal number is "von-Neumann ordinal". I thought this is the only definition for the ordinal, but i found some other definitions in wikipedia. What is the usual definition of ...
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Short question about ordinals multiplication definition from wiki

Why does $2\cdot\omega$ looks like this: $0_0 < 1_0 <0_1 <1_1 ...$ ? Is that another way to represent $1_0 < 1_1 < 2_0 <2_1 <3_0<3_1 ...$ ? Edit: also, why does it equal to ...
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Prove or disprove - order types and constants

Let $k$ and $l$ be natural numbers and let $\omega=[(\mathbb N, \le)], \ \eta=[(\mathbb Q, \le)]$ be order types (or ordinals). Prove or disprove the following: if $k+\eta=l+\eta$ ...
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Ordinality of a Set

What is the difference between Ordinal number and cardinal number of a set?....I have a confusion in understanding the difference between the two.Can anyone help me to understand these two things? ...
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Prove every nonzero ordinal is either successor or limit

I am trying to prove the statement in the title. Here is my partial proof: Let $n$ be a nonzero ordinal. It is obvious that $\cup_{\beta<n}\beta \subseteq n$. If $\cup_{\beta<n}\beta = ...
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Definition of $\omega_1$, comparing it to $2^\mathbb{N}$?

I'm taking an Intro to Topology class, and we just started defining ordinals. We defined finite ordinals as: \begin{align*} 0 & = \varnothing \\ 1 & = \{0\} \\ 2 & = \{0,1\} \\ & ...
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Equivalence between two definitions of successor ordinal

So, here am I again struggling with Schimmerling. Now I just want to check if understood correctly how to relate the two definitions of a successor ordinal. We can define the successor of $\alpha$ ...
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Axiom of regularity and ordinal ranks

I am trying to prove that the following two statements are equivalent: Axiom of regularity $\forall x \exists \alpha (\alpha $ is an ordinal and $ x \in V_\alpha)$ I believe I understand how to ...
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Transitive sets and the Mostowski collapse

I was wondering if every set can be "transitized" - that is, made into a transitive version of itself. Is this basically what the Mostowski collapse says?
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Prove: $2^{\aleph_0}\not=\aleph_{\epsilon_0}$

Prove: $2^{\aleph_0}\not=\aleph_{\epsilon_0}$ I would like a hint for this problem
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Ordinal numbers and onto function

So, another one in set theory (I think I am falling inlove with the subject). The question itself as presented: Given $\Bbb Z$ is ordered by $<'$, where $a<'b$ iff $a\ge 0, a<b$, ...
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Countable subset bounded in uncountable set

Let $(B, \prec)$ be a well ordered set with the ordinal $\omega_1$. Show that every countable subset of B is bounded in $(B, \prec)$. Let A be such a subset. A is a subset of a well ordered set and ...
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Set of Cardinals

Let $A$ be a set of cardinals. Prove that there is a cardinal that that is greater than every cardinal in $A$. Assume that there isn't such a cardinal. Then for any cardinal $x$ there is $y\in A$ such ...
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Ordering ordinals by size [closed]

Well define $\omega,\omega_1, \omega_2$ to be the first three infinite ordinals. Order them according to their size: $2\cdot\omega_1+\omega\cdot3+3,$ $\omega\cdot3+\omega_1+3,$ ...
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If $n$ is a finite ordinal, either $n=\emptyset$, or there exists a finite ordinal $m$ such that $n=m \cup\{m\}$

I have a difficulty with this statement : If $n$ is a finite ordinal, either $n=\emptyset$, or there exists a finite ordinal $m$ such that $n=m \cup\{m\}$. My professor's proof is totally unclear. I ...
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Find ordinal of a strange ordered set

I was asked the following question: for every $x\in \mathbb R$ we define the set $Q(x)=\{q \in \mathbb Q|q\leq x\}$, the set of all rational numbers less or equal to $x$. Let $M=\{Q(x)|x\in \mathbb ...
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Some questions about elementary set theory (cardinal and ordinal numbers)

I have three questions about elementary set teory and i don't figure out how to solve them: 1)Let $X$ a subset of the cardinal number $2^{\aleph_0}$ (seen as an initial ordinal). Is true or false ...
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Ordinal inequality - simple question

We are given 2 ordinals: $\alpha$ and $\beta$ where $\beta$ does not have a maximal number (So it's transfinite, right?) We are asked to find $\alpha,\beta$ such that: $\alpha+\beta > ...
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What does $\alpha+\gamma$ mean when $\alpha$ and $\gamma$ are well-ordered sets?

I was asked to prove the following: let $\gamma$ be a well ordered set with the following property: for any $\alpha$ and $\beta$ well ordered sets, if $\alpha+\gamma=\beta+\gamma$ then ...
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Well ordered Set with $\le$ order type

Let $(x,\le)$ be well-ordered set and let $f: \ x \rightarrow x$ be monotonically increasing function. Prove that $\forall a \in x$ $$a \le f(a)$$ Find an example of set x linearly ...
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Are the following sets isomorphic or have the same order type?

Are the following sets isomorphic or have the same order type ? $(\mathbb R, \le) ,\ (\mathbb R,\ge)$ $(\mathbb Q, \le), \ (\mathbb R, \le) $ $(\mathbb N,\ge ), \ (\mathbb N,\le)$ ...
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Sets and ordinals - homework questions

I have two questions which I don't even know how to start. I would like you to give some hints. I know it would be better that I show some work, but I really don't know where to begin... The question ...
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Proof of Proposition 0.17 in Folland wrong?

Proposition 0.17 in Folland's Real Analysis (2e) is If $X$ and $Y$ are well ordered, then either X is order isomorphic to $Y$, or $X$ is order isomorphic to an initial segment in $Y$, or $Y$ ...
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Well ordering of type epsilon one

I have been very interested in the countable ordinals for awhile now, but one thing has eluded me despite my research into the subject. What is a well-ordering of the natural numbers corresponding to ...