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Can different tetrations have the same value?

Suppose, we have two numbers $a\uparrow \uparrow b$ and $c\uparrow \uparrow d$. To avoid trivial cases, suppose $a,b,c,d>2$ and $(a,b)\ne (c,d)$. Is there a quartupel $(a,b,c,d)$ with ...
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Bowers array notation : $f_{\omega^\omega}(n)\approx [n,…,n]$ ($n$ times)

I learnt at this site that $$\large f_{\omega^\omega}(n)\approx \underbrace{[n,...,n]}_{n\ n's}$$ For a simular approximation $$\large f_{\omega^2}(n)\approx \underbrace{n\rightarrow ...
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For which natural numbers $m,n>1$ does the inequality $2\uparrow^m n>f_m(n)$ hold?

Denote $$f(n,m):=2\uparrow^{m-1} n$$ (See : Wiki ) and $$g(n,m):=f_m(n)$$ (See : Wiki ) It is straightforward to show $f(n,m)<g(n,m)$ for all $m,n>1$ via induction. But for which $m,n>1$ ...
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Compute sum of large powers [closed]

I have the following problem. There is an array that contains values that are to be powers of $-2$. I need to calculate the sum of these powers. For example, if the array is $\{3,4,5\}$ I need to ...
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The number of logarithm applications to get from n below 1

Let $L(n)$ to be a number of logarithms that you need to apply on $n$ until you get below 1: $$ 0 \leq \log\cdots\log n < 1 \\ \uparrow \\ L(n)\mbox{-times} $$ Is there a name for this function? ...
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Quick Exponent Clarification

$N = 5^{\displaystyle 5^{\displaystyle 5^{\displaystyle 5^{\displaystyle 5}}}}$ In the following equation is N equal to $5^{5^4}$ or $5^{(5^{(5^{(5^5)})})}$? One of them is huge compared to the ...
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Tight bounds for Bowers array notation

This link http://googology.wikia.com/wiki/Array_notation shows the definition of bowers linear array notation and the approximation $$\{n,a+1,b+1,c+1,d+1,...\}\ \approx f^a_{...+\omega^2d+\omega ...
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Do “small” and “large” numbers actually exist in an absolute sense?

Numbers like $(10)^{-10^{10^{10}}}$ are generally regarded as small, whereas numbers like, for example, Graham's Number, are regarded as extremely large. My question is, are these numbers simply ...
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What's the last whole number before a googolplex?

"What's the last whole number before a googolplex?" My six yr old asked me this tonight. How does a math challenged dad answer this?! A googolplex is hard enough as it is to imagine or visualize. ...
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Comparison of arbitary conway chains (in particular a chain with $m$ $m's$) to $f_{\omega^2}(n)$

Wikipedia describes the Conway chained arrow notation and the fast growing hierarchy. I learnt that the function $f(n):=\large f_{\omega^2}(n)$ has the same growth rate as the function ...
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Is there a number so large that we could never calculate it?

Note that I edited this post significantly to make it more clear (as clear as I think I could possibly make it). First, let me mention what I am NOT asking: I am NOT asking for the largest number we ...
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find least multiple formed only of 1's of given number

The problem states that given a number find the least multiple formed only of 1's. If no such number exists then 0 will be the answer. For example for: ...
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How to manually determine big number congruences

How is it possible to determine if the the following congruence is true manually, with resort to a basic calculator? The real problem here is how to do the math with a such big number? $$ 2015^{50} ...
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Comparing conway chains

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway_chained_arrow_notation for the details how conway chained arrow notation works. I want to calculate the approximate value $n$ such that $$n\rightarrow ...
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Graham's Number versus another large number

I recently read this article about the most damage you can do in a single turn in Magic the Gathering. According to the current version of the deck, that damage is about a) $2 \rightarrow 17 ...
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Node potentials of minimum cost flow successive shortest path algorithm

I have a simple directed graph $G(V,E)$ that has a source $s$ and sink $t$. Each edge $e$ of $G$ has positive integer capacity $c(e)$ and positive integer cost $a(e)$. I am trying to find the minimum ...
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How can the number $\left\langle \matrix {3&3\\3&3}\right\rangle $ be described?

http://qntm.org/planar shows how Jonathan Bowers defines numbers using $2D$-arrays. I would like to get a feeling how big such numbers are. How can the number $$\left\langle \matrix ...
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Check for greatest common multiple in a range

I am supposed to be writing a program that takes two numbers and checks to see if they have a common multiple in the range of 1 - 1100000000, 1.1 billion. If there are many common multiples, I have to ...
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Which arrangement produces the largest number?

I learnt that the power tower $2\uparrow3\uparrow4\uparrow...\uparrow n$ is larger than any power tower with a different order of the numbers $2,3,4,...,n$. Is this also true for conway-chains and ...
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Modulus calculation for big numbers

I am having problems with calculating $$x \mod m$$ with $$x = 2^{\displaystyle2^{100,000,000}},\qquad m = 1,500,000,000$$ I already found posts like this one ...
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What are sharp lower and upper bounds of the fast growing hierarachy?

With fast growing hierarchy, I mean the Wainer hierarchy, which starts with $$f_0(n)=n+1$$ $$f_1(n)=2n$$ $$f_2(n)=2^n n$$ A lower bound for $f_m(n)$ is $2 \uparrow^{m-1} n$. If $f(n,m):=2 ...
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Fast growing hierarchy : How can I show that any sequence grows faster than the one before?

How can I show, that in the fast growing hierarchy, every sequence grows faster than the one before ? A function $f(n)$ is said to grow faster than a function $g(n)$, if for every $k$ there exists ...
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subtract a number from its digits until it reaches 0 [closed]

Can anyone help me with some algorithm for this problem? We have a big number (19 digits) and, in a loop, we subtract one of the digits of that number from the number itself. We continue to do this ...
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What is the highest number that could be written down in principle using all computers in the world?

I read somewhere in the internet, that the capacity of all computers in the world would be about $10^{18}$ bytes. Does this mean, that in principle, a number with $10^{18}$ digits could be written ...
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Proof of Polyates Lemma

In Sbiis Saibian's site I came across Polyates Lemma which states that $$(b \uparrow^k m) \uparrow^k n\ <\ b\uparrow^k (m+n)$$ for all positive integers b,m,n,k with $b\ge 2$ and $k\ge 2$. He ...
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Comparing up-arrow's

Is it true that $$3\uparrow^{n+1} 3\ >\ n\uparrow^n n $$ holds for every $n\ge 1$ Since $3\uparrow^{n+1}3=3\uparrow ^n 3\uparrow ^n 3$ and $3\uparrow^n3$ is much bigger than $n$ for $n\ge 3$, ...
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Growth rate of $f(f(n))$, where $f(n)$ is the ackermann-function.

Let $$f(n)\ :=\ n \uparrow^n n$$ and $$g(n)\ :=f(f(n))\ =\ f(n)\uparrow ^{f(n)} f(n)=n\uparrow^n n \uparrow^ {n \uparrow ^n n} n\uparrow ^n n$$ So, $g(n)$ is $f(n)$ applied twice. What is the ...
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Comparison of $4$-entry-conway-chains and $3$-entry-conway-chains

How big must $n$ approximately be, that $$n\rightarrow n \rightarrow n\ \approx \ 3 \rightarrow 3 \rightarrow 3 \rightarrow 3$$ holds ? $n\rightarrow n \rightarrow n$ (conway-chain) is ...
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Little graham's number, Graham's number and the Graham-conway-number

Sbiis Saibian desbribes on his site in section $3.2.9$ the "little-graham-number" He claims that Graham used this number (much smaller than "Graham's number") in his proof, and Gardner published ...
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Jonathan Bowers' multidimensional arrays

Sbiis Saibian designed a site with large numbers (first hit with the search Sbiis Saibian) In section $4.1$ he describes Bowers' notation, but unfortunately he did not come to the multidimensional ...
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Which number is larger?

If $n$ is large enough, which is greater: $(n+1) ^{n+1}$ or $(kn)^{n}$ where $k$ is a natural number? I've plotted a graph which suggests that the second is larger, but surely the larger power ...
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Approximation of (n^n)^n

To be specific, what is the best way to calculate the first 10 digits decimal approximation of $$ \large \left(123456789^{123456789}\right)^{123456789}$$? Even WolframAlpha gives the result in a ...
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Predicting how long the result of a permutation

We're calculating the result of a 'tweaked' Birthday Problem, but when we're calculating, we stumped by a very nasty permutation. $$10^{576}P_{10^{16}}$$ Which, make us stop working at the number, ...
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What is the explanation for the $64$ in Graham's number $g_{64}$?

As in, why does the iteration of the function until $g_{64}$ guarantee this property that defines Graham's number? Why was this number chosen? If I had to guess (emphasis on guess), I'd say that the ...
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Divisibility of huge numbers

Please help me to solve my homework ;) Prove that for any positive integer $n$ a square of rather big number divides even more huge number: $${\LARGE \left.\underbrace{33\dots 3}_{1\underbrace{00\dots ...
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If I call the Ackermann Function with Graham's number as both of its arguments will it be less than $g_{65}$

In xkcd comic 207 it states that [xkcd] means calling the Ackermann function with Graham's number as the arguments just to horrify mathematicians. $A(g_{64},g_{64})$ In this explanation it ...
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Transfinite Knuth-arrow hierarchy vs. fast-growing hierarchy

Suppose Knuth arrow notation (and hence the hyperoperation sequence) is extended to transfinite ordinal indices as follows: Let μ be a large countable ordinal such that a fundamental sequence is ...
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Calculation of $f_{\omega^3}(2)$ in the fast growing hierarchy

How is the number $$\large f_{\omega^3}(2)$$ in the fast growing hierarchy calculated ? My only idea is to convert to $$\large f_{\omega^2 2}(2)$$ but now I have no idea how to continue.
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Proof of the inequality $2\uparrow^n 4 < 3\uparrow^n 3 < 2\uparrow^n 5$

I tried to prove the inequality $$2\uparrow^n 4 < 3\uparrow^n 3 < 2\uparrow^n 5$$ for all natural numbers $n\ge 1$ For n = 1 , the claim is true because of 16 < 27 < 32. The left ...
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For which n does the inequality $2 \uparrow^{n+1}n > 3\uparrow^n 3 +2$ hold?

For which n does the following inequality hold ? $$2 \uparrow^{n+1}n > 3\uparrow^n 3 + 2$$ where $\uparrow$ stands for knuth's up-arrow notation. I need this inequality to prove that ...
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Find the biggest number from given data below

Maths problem : $$(9^{62773} + 2)^{83721}$$ Now here is the rest of the problem. After finding the huge number I have to find its digital sum. If you don't know what that means just give me the ...
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Definition of the function $f_{\epsilon_0}$ in the fast-growing hierachy

I found an article where the growth of $$f_{\epsilon_0}$$ in the fast-growing-hierachy is described, but the text is very long and difficult to understand. Is ...
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Tim Chow's proof that the moser-number is much smaller than grahams number

The link here shows a proof from Tim Chow that the moser-number is much smaller than grahams number. I do not understand the inequality 3^^...^^3 (3^^^^^3×2-1 arrows) << G 2 What does G 2 ...
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Bounds for $(10 \uparrow \uparrow 257) \uparrow \uparrow \uparrow (10 \uparrow \uparrow 257)$

A lower bound of 2[6] (Steinhaus-Moser-Notation) is $$ M:= (10 \uparrow \uparrow 257) \uparrow \uparrow \uparrow (10 \uparrow \uparrow 257)$$ I would like to bound M in the following way : $$10 ...
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monotony for conway chains

Let X and Y be chains, m and n be natural numbers with 0 < m < n. Is it always true that $$X \rightarrow m \rightarrow Y < X \rightarrow n \rightarrow Y$$ ? I need this to bound the ...
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Magnitude of $10 \uparrow \uparrow \uparrow 10$

Is there any way to understand the magnitude of $$10 \uparrow \uparrow \uparrow 10$$ ? I know that the number can be constructed as follows : $$M_1 := 10$$ $$M_2 := 10^{10^{10^{...10}}}$$ ...
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What are the last 20 digits of mega?

What are the last 20 digts of the number mega, which is "2 in a pentagon" in steinhaus-moser-notation ? In contrary to power towers or tetration, the ending digits are not stable. I found out that ...
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First digits of extremely large numbers (Generalization of “first digits of Graham's number”)

I found a question about the first digits of Graham's number and would like to generalize it : We want the first n digits of the number $a\uparrow^b c$. Which method is the most effective to do ...
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Graham's number expressed using xkcd's “Knuth Paper-Stack Notation”

The title text for xkcd #1162 describes a method for expressing extremely large numbers: Knuth Paper-Stack Notation: Write down the number on pages. Stack them. If the stack is too tall to fit in ...
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Logarithms of logarithms of Graham's number, is the result ever handy?

The other day I was asked how to represent really big numbers. I half-jokingly replied to just take the logarithm repeatedly: $$\log \log \log N$$ makes almost any number $N$ handy. (Assume base ...