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How does (ZFC-Infinity+“There is no infinite set”) compare with PA?

How does (ZFC-Infinity+"There is no infinite set") compare with (first order) PA? Intuitively, neither theory should be more powerful than the other.
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Proofs given in undergrad degree that need Continuum hypothesis?

Or alternative you need to assume CH is false. I know several proofs that use axiom of choice. Heine Borel theorem is the best example I can think off. Zorns lemma is heavily used in the non ...
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When does the set enter set theory?

I wonder about the foundations of set theory and my question can be stated in some related forms: If we base Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory on first order logic, does that mean first order logic is not ...
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Where is axiom of regularity actually used?

Where is axiom of regularity actually used? Why is it important? Are there some proofs, which are substantially simpler thanks to this axiom? This question was to some extent provoked by Dan ...
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what is the relationship between ZFC and first-order logic?

In Wikipedia, it says that ZFC is a one-sorted theory in first-order logic. However, I was not really able to comprehend the later parts that seem to elaborate on that point. Can anyone explain the ...
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How is a system of axioms different from a system of beliefs?

Other ways to put it: Is there any faith required in the adoption of a system of axioms? How is a given system of axioms accepted or rejected if not based on blind faith?
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Can you explain the “Axiom of choice” in simple terms?

As I'm sure many of you do, I read the XKCD webcomic regularly. The most recent one involves a joke about the Axiom of Choice, which I didn't get. I went to Wikipedia to see what the Axiom of ...
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What is the modern axiomatization of (Euclidean) plane geometry?

I have heard anecdotally that Euclid's Elements was an unsatisfactory development of geometry, because it was not rigorous, and that this spurred other people (including Hilbert) to create their own ...
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What are natural numbers?

What are the natural numbers? Is it a valid question at all? My understanding is that a set satisfying Peano axioms is called "the natural numbers" and from that one builds integers, rational ...
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Can we prove the existence of $A\cup B$ without the union axiom?

If $A$ and $B$ are sets, then $A\cup B$ is defined as follows: $$A\cup B:=\{x: x\in A \, \, \,\text{ or } \, \, \, x\in B\}.$$ In ZFC, $A\cup B$ exists because $\bigcup\{A,B\}$ exists by union axiom, ...
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Motivating implications of the axiom of choice?

What are some motivating consequences of the axiom of choice (or its omission)? I know that weak forms of choice are sometimes required for interesting results like Banach-Tarski; what are some ...
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Axiom schema and the definition of natural numbers

An axiom schema is used to generate the axioms, which inductively define the natrual numbers using the empty set and the successor function $S$. I don't understand why you have to define this set as ...
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Equality of positive rational numbers.

I am reading the second article Rational Numbers of the book "A Treatise on Advanced Calculus" by Philip Franklin. I have mainly 3 questions regarding this article. I am writing all these $3$ ...
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The existence of the empty set is an axiom of ZFC or not?

I found in the Wolfram MathWorld page of the Axiom of the Empty Set that this is one of the Zermelo-Fraenkel Axioms, however on the page about these ZFC Axioms I read that it is an axiom that can be ...
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A first order sentence such that the finite Spectrum of that sentence is the prime numbers

The finite spectrum of a theory $T$ is the set of natural numbers such that there exists a model of that size. That is $Fs(T):= \{n \in \mathbb{N} | \exists \mathcal{M}\models T : |\mathcal{M}| =n\}$ ...
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Axiom of extensionality in ZF - pointless?

In every textbook on ZF set theory I come across the Axiom of extensionality, which basically says that if two sets have the same elements, then those two sets are equal: $$\forall x \forall y ...
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Axiomatic approach to polynomials?

I only know the "constructive" definition of $\mathbb K [x]$, via the space of finite sequences in $\mathbb K$. It essentially tells a polynomial is its coefficients. Is there a way to define ...
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How do the separation axioms follow from the replacement axioms?

It has come to my attention that the pairing axiom and the separation axiom schema are rarely listed since they follows from the replacement axioms. I see how this works for the pairing axiom, since ...
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A basic doubt on axiom of foundation of Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory

I have read in a book that the "axiom of foundation prevents anomalies such as a set being an element of itself". Now, axiom of foundation says that there exist an element in every set which is ...
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What are the consequences if Axiom of Infinity is negated?

What mathematics can be built with standard ZFC with Axiom of Infinity replaced with its negation? Can the analysis be built? Is there special name for "ZFC without Infinity" set theory? I also ...
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Can it be shown that ZFC has statements which cannot be proven to be independent, but are?

I am familiar with the concept that a statement can be proven indepent such as in the case of the continuum hypothesis where both ZFC+CH and ZFC+(CH is false) are both proven consistent, but I would ...
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A weaker Axiom of Infinity?

As I understand, the Axiom of Infinity in ZFC theory gives us an infinite set from which the natural numbers can be extracted. (See "Axiom of Infinity" at ...
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Does mathematics require axioms?

I just read this whole article: http://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~norman/papers/SetTheory.pdf which is also discussed over here: Infinite sets don't exist!? However, the paragraph which I found most ...
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In what sense are math axioms true?

Say I am explaining to a kid, $A +B$ is the same as $B+A$ for natural numbers. The kid asks: why? Well, it's an axiom. It's called commutativity (which is not even true for most groups). How do I ...
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What are the postulates that can be used to derive geometry?

What are the various sets of postulates that can used to derive Euclidean geometry? It might be nice to have several different approaches together for comparison purposes and for ready reference. It ...
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What happens if we remove the requirement that $\langle R, + \rangle$ is abelian from the definition of a ring?

Ever since I learned the definition of a ring, I've wondered why the additive group is required to be abelian. What happens if we allow $\langle R, + \rangle$ to be nonabelian as well as $\langle R, ...
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Why hasn't GCH become a standard axiom of ZFC?

I've never seen a text that includes GCH in the ZFC axioms. I presume this means that GCH has not achieved widespread acceptance. This seems surprising to me, given that: The cardinal numbers ...
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Topology: Opens vs Neighborhoods

Disclaimer: This thread is meant informative and therefore written in Q&A style. The problems are highlighted in bold face. The axiomatization of topology can be done in various ways all of ...
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Explain Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory in layman terms

What does Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory mean? According to Wikipedia, Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory is a set theory that is proposed to overcome issues in naive set theory. I really appreciate if ...
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How does the axiom of regularity forbid self containing sets?

The axiom of regularity basically says that a set must be disjoint from at least one element. I have heard this disproves self containing sets. I see how it could prevent $A=\{A\}$, but it would seem ...
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A confusion about Axiom of Choice and existence of maximal ideals.

The proof of the theorem of statement that every ring has a maximal ideal uses zorn's lemma or the axiom of choice.Now, the defintion of ring as well as the definition of maximal ideal don't depend on ...
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Non-constructive axiom of infinity

Looking at the ZFC axioms (in the Wikipedia version), the axiom of infinity stands out because it contains an extremely specific construction. This seems rather unelegant to me, therefore I've thought ...
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A model of geometry with the negation of Pasch’s axiom?

How would a geometry with all the usual axioms of Euclidean geometry, except that instead of Pasch’s axiom, we take it negation, look like?
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Proof for SSS Congruence?

I'm hoping that someone can provide a method for deducing the commonly known SSS congruence postulate? The postulate states If the three sides of one triangle are pair-wise congruent to the three ...
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System with infinite number of axioms

Assume we have a set of axioms $A_0$. There exists a statement that can be formulated with these axioms that cannot be proven to be true with this system. Assume we give such a statement axiomatic ...
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Defining the integers and rationals

What axiomatic system is most commonly used by modern mathematicians to describe the properties of the integers and the rationals? Properties like $a+0=a$, $a*1=a$, $a+b=b+a$, Also given these ...
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An elementary question regarding the uniqueness of a set, viewed with different cardinality

Does the cardinality of sets, like for example the real numbers, depend on the fundamental axioms one is working with? If so, what does it mean to speak of such a set if it is not really one single ...
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Axioms for sets of numbers

What is the most common axiomatic system used by modern mathematicans for the properties of the integers, rationals, reals, and complex numbers? Or does one commonly use a single axiomatic system ...
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Hilbert projection theorem without countable choice

All the proofs of the Hilbert projection theorem, existence part, that I have seen so far use countable choice (usually implicitly). Is this necessary? It seems like you might be able to leverage the ...
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Do the proofes in set theory rely on the semantics of the formulas used in the axioms?

Motivation: The Axiom of separation $$\forall w_1,\ldots,w_n \, \forall A \, \exists B \, \forall x \, ( x \in B \Leftrightarrow [ x \in A \wedge \phi(x, w_1, \ldots, w_n, A) ] )$$ is used to ...
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Is it possible to prove the axiom of infinity from the real number axioms?

What I mean by the title is whether, given that there is a class $\Bbb R$ and operations $+,\cdot,<$ that satisfy the ordered field axioms and the least upper bound axiom, you can prove the ...
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Question Regarding the Axiom of Extensionality

Jech's text on Set Theory states the following: If X and Y have the same elements, then X = Y : ∀u(u ∈ X ↔ u ∈ Y ) → X = Y. The converse, namely, if X = Y then u ∈ X ↔ u ∈ Y, is an axiom ...
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Why is the postulate $1$ not equal to $0$ not superfluous? [duplicate]

Possible Duplicate: Explanation for why $1\neq 0$ is explicitly mentioned in Chapter 1 of Spivak's Calculus for properties of numbers. I am self-studying the wonderful book, Elementary ...
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axioms of equality

Every text I've come across uses the Axiom of Extensionality to describe the fact that sets are equal iff they contain each other's elements. $$(\forall x)(\forall y)\bigl((\forall a)(a\in x \iff a\in ...
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Why is matrix multiplication defined a certain way? [duplicate]

Why is it that when multiplying a (1x3) by (3x1) matrix, you get a (1x1) matrix, but when multiplying a (3x1) matrix by a (1x3) matrix, you get a (3x3) matrix? Why is matrix multiplication defined ...
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What is the difference between an axiom and a postulate?

I here about axioms is set theory and postulates in geometry, but they seem like the same thing. Do the mean the same thing but then are used in different instances or what? Is one word more ...
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What are the primitive notions of real analysis?

My dad introduced my to primitive notions in geometry in high school. It's come back to haunt me as I study real analysis; I find myself wondering, Have we given this a formal definition? ...
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Using definitions instead of axioms.

Lets take (classical) first-order logic for granted, including an equality symbol and its associated axioms. Given all this, a rigorous work of mathematics will typically begin with a signature - ...
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What makes Tarski Grothendieck set theory non-empty?

I'm fighting with Grothendieck set theory for some time now. This is the framework for the automated proof checking system of Mizar and hence there is a formalized version of the axioms here too, and ...
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What should I be able to do with this chapter on Axiomatic Set Theory in order to check if I've learned it decently? [closed]

I've just read a chapter on axiomatic set theory, from Comprehensive Mathematics for Computer Scientists 1. It comes with basic notation on sets and some axioms: Axiom 1 (Axiom of Empty Set) Axiom 2 ...