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I consider myself a self-learner, meaning: 1) I'd rather read a book or watch a video than sit through lectures and 2)I like having plenty of control over what I learn and how I learn it.

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With that in mind, my ideal college class would run like this:

I am told a sketch of what the field is about, what there is to know, how it relates to stuff I already know and why I should bother learning it. I have a say on what we`re going to cover out of that broad subject and what book we're going to rely (again, I think books are unmatched as a learning resource). Then class meets just to clarify those spots where the reading is challenging and to sove problems. Ratio of individual to in-class work: about 5 to 2

Instead what I get is a guy who tells me what he knows, how he knows it, using his favorite book (often his current favorite, not even what he used when he himself was a learner). He doesn't list the prerequisites the class has, much less bothers to ask whether I have them covered or not. If I ask how this particlar topic will be useful to me, he replies I'll figure it out later in your studies. Ratio of individual to in-class work: about 2 to 5

I know some students can thrive in this environment, but to me such chaos is simply unbearable, especially when I think of how little effort it would take me to arrange my studies to make perfect sense.

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Hopefully someone out there has experienced something similar and can comment on how he suceeded in finding a way around it!

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My impression is that this is too subjective and discussion oriented to be a good fit for this site. It seems well suited for a blog, but not focused enough for a math.SE question. I am voting to close. – Jonas Meyer Jan 11 '12 at 5:57
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Although I think this could be made into a well-suited question with serious rephrasing (i.e. what are some ways to incorporate self-learning into a structured math education) as it stands I too am voting to close. – Alex Becker Jan 11 '12 at 6:03
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@Alex, I am reading this as being more about incorporating a structured math education into self-learning rather than vice-versa. I don't feel strongly about closing but perhaps this should be community wiki? – Dan Brumleve Jan 11 '12 at 6:19
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I am sorry but it is false that «books are unmatched as a learning resource»: humans are the ultimate learning resource—books are the way we have found to have (spatially and temporally) remote access to humans. Of course, a lecturer can suck grandiously, but that is quite orthogonal. – Mariano Suárez-Alvarez Jan 11 '12 at 6:40

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prerequisites are listed in a college catalog and academic advisors typically don't let students without appropriate prerequisites into a course they can't handle. And a lot of people do math and science without the requirement that what they are doing is "useful." They find these subjects inherently interesting. close.

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