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How do I prove that $1$,$\sqrt{2},\sqrt{3}$ and $\sqrt{6}$ are linearly independent over $\mathbb{Q}$? $\mathbb{Q}$ is the rational field.

I want to know the detail about the proof. Thanks in advance.

Actually I know any two of them and three of them are linearly independent.

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@t.b.: Surely not...the question here is "does there exist $a, b, c, d\in\mathbb{Q}$ not all zero such that $a+b\sqrt{2}+c\sqrt{3}+d\sqrt{6}=0$", while the question you link to boils down to $\sqrt{2}\sqrt{3}=\sqrt{6}$, which is an illegal move here... –  user1729 Jan 6 '12 at 15:13
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@t.b.: Not quite (thought not unrelated). For example, $\sqrt{6}$ is certainly in $\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{2},\sqrt{3})$, but isn't in the $\mathbb{Q}$-vector space generated by $1$, $\sqrt{2}$, and $\sqrt{3}$. –  Cam McLeman Jan 6 '12 at 15:15
    
Actually, @user1729, Bill Dubuque's answer in the linked question does in fact answer this question (and some more). And the fact that $b\sqrt{2} + c\sqrt{3} \not\in Q(\sqrt{6})$ (as demonstrated below by Martin) is basically how one shows (in an elementary way) that $Q(\sqrt{2},\sqrt{3}) \neq Q(\sqrt{6})$ (Alvaro's proof in the linked question). That is to say I agree with t.b. that this question is an abstract duplicate of the other, though whether it should be closed as such is another matter. –  Willie Wong Jan 6 '12 at 15:39
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@WillieWong: Yeah, I had a similar paragraph written before I decided to scrap it in favor of "though not unrelated." In any case, I more or less agree, though it's unclear to me the extent to which the existence of repeatable answers implies that the questions themselves are duplicate. –  Cam McLeman Jan 6 '12 at 16:56
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@MartinSleziak That user is a spammer/bot/invalid account/something –  Doorknob Mar 25 at 12:44

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I have no doubt that many slick solutions will be given here. I'll try to post an elementary one; which uses perhaps the most straightforward approach I can imagine. (The only things that are needed are some algebraic manipulation and basic properties of rational numbers; such as that the only solution of $x^2=6y^2$ in $\mathbb Q$ are $x=y=0$.)


This is equivalent to showing that if $$a+b\sqrt6=c\sqrt3+d\sqrt2$$ then $a=b=c=d=0$.

By squaring both sides of the above equation we get $$ \begin{align*} a^2+6b^2+2ab\sqrt6&=3c^2+2d^2+2cd\sqrt6\\ 2(ab-cd)\sqrt6=3c^2+2d^2-a^2-6b^2 \end{align*} $$ Since $a,b,c,d\in\mathbb Q$, this implies $$ \begin{align*} ab-cd&=0\\ 3c^2+2d^2-a^2-6b^2&=0 \end{align*} $$ which is the same as $$ \begin{align*} ab&=cd\\ 3c^2+2d^2&=a^2+6b^2 \end{align*} $$

Suppose that $b\ne0$, $c\ne0$. (I'll leave the solution of these cases to the reader.) Then we can rewrite the first equation as $\frac ac = \frac db = x$, where $x\in\mathbb Q$. Now the second equation becomes $$ \begin{align*} 3c^2+2x^2b^2&=x^2c^2+6b^2\\ x^2(2b^2-c^2)&=3(2b^2-c^2)\\ (x^2-3)(2b^2-c^2)&=0 \end{align*}$$ This implies that $x^2=3$ or $2b^2=c^2$. None of them has non-zero solutions in rational numbers.

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Is there any general method for solving such problems? –  no identity Jan 6 '12 at 15:33
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@Norbert I think that having look at these questions could help math.stackexchange.com/questions/30687/… and math.stackexchange.com/questions/93459/… Perhaps someone who has better knowledge of field theory and Galois theory than me could give you a better answer. –  Martin Sleziak Jan 6 '12 at 15:45
    
@Martin Sleziak:I think I have got your idea.Thanks.And I have read a version of proof that it first gives any two of them and any three of them are linearly independent.After having read your solution,I want to ask whether the version I read before is useful or not.Is it necessary to do like that?And one more question,is there any proof that based on any other different theory and can be presented in an elementary way like yours? –  Andylang Jan 6 '12 at 16:21
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@Andylang: The parts which I "left for the reader" are using the fact that three/two of them are linearly independent. (But you probably don't need to do all possible triples.) For different proofs just check the comments under your question. –  Martin Sleziak Jan 6 '12 at 16:41
    
@Martin Sleziak:Got it. –  Andylang Jan 9 '12 at 16:14

HINT $\ $ Specialize the Lemma below to $\rm\ K = \mathbb Q,\ a,b\ =\ 2,3\:. $

LEMMA $\rm\ \ [K(\sqrt{a},\sqrt{b}) : K]\ =\ 4\ $ if $\rm\ \sqrt{a},\ \sqrt{b},\ \sqrt{a\:b}\ $ all are not in $\rm\:K\:$ and $\rm\: 2\: \ne\: 0\:$ in $\rm\:K\:.$

Proof $\ \ $ Let $\rm\ L = K(\sqrt{b})\:.\:$ Then $\rm\: [L:K] = 2\:$ via $\rm\:\sqrt{b} \not\in K\:,\:$ so it is sufficient to prove $\rm\: [L(\sqrt{a}):L] = 2\:.\:$ It fails only if $\rm\:\sqrt{a} \in L = K(\sqrt{b})\ $ and then $\rm\ \sqrt{a}\ =\ r + s\ \sqrt{b}\ $ for $\rm\ r,s\in K\:.\:$ But that is impossible since squaring yields $\rm(1):\ \ a\ =\ r^2 + b\ s^2 + 2\:r\:s\ \sqrt{b}\:,\: $ which contradicts hypotheses as follows:

$\rm\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad rs \ne 0\ \ \Rightarrow\ \ \sqrt{b}\ \in\ K\ \ $ by solving $(1)$ for $\rm\sqrt{b}\:,\:$ using $\rm\:2 \ne 0$

$\rm\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\ s = 0\ \ \Rightarrow\ \ \ \sqrt{a}\ \in\ K\ \ $ via $\rm\ \sqrt{a}\ =\ r \in K$

$\rm\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\quad\ r = 0\ \ \Rightarrow\ \ \sqrt{a\:b}\in K\ \ $ via $\rm\ \sqrt{a}\ =\ s\ \sqrt{b}\:,\: \ $times $\rm\:\sqrt{b}\quad\quad$ QED

REMARK $\ $ By induction, the lemma easily generalizes to algebraic extensions generated by adjoining $\rm\:n\:$ square-roots, see my post here on Besicovic's Theorem, which includes references to generalizations by Mordell and Siegel. These results are elementary special cases of the Galois theory of Kummer extensions.

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A general explanation.It is useful.Thank you –  Andylang Jan 9 '12 at 16:12

Observe that $a + b\sqrt{2} + c\sqrt{3} + d\sqrt{6} = 0$ if and only if $(a + b\sqrt{2}) + (c + d\sqrt{2})\sqrt{3} = 0$. Hence it is enough to show that $\sqrt{3}$ and $1$ are independent over $\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{2})$, but this is equivalent to showing that $\sqrt{3}\notin\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{2})$, or that $\sqrt{3}$ cannot be written as $a + b\sqrt{2}$. This is obvious (square both sides and play with the result).

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I like this argument. Can I suggest you migrate your comment in to your answer for completeness's sake? –  Cam McLeman Jan 6 '12 at 16:51
    
@Cam McLeman: Done :) –  William Jan 6 '12 at 16:57
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If you fill in the missing steps in this hint then you obtain what is essentially a special case of the Lemma in my answer. See it and its links for generalizations. –  Bill Dubuque Jan 6 '12 at 17:16

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