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The following situation happened on the Price is Right and I was curious about the optimal response. The rules are: A contestant rolls a wheel with 5 cent increments from 5 - 100 (20 numbers total). A contestant can choose to spin the wheel once and accept the number the wheel landed on (stay) or spin again and have this new number added to the previous number. If the contestant has a number that is over 100 cents they automatically lose. The object of the game is to roll the highest number out of a set of contestants.

GirlA rolled once and rolled 60 cents. GirlA knows GirlB will play afterwards. Should GirlA roll again? At what number is the expected value neutral / what range of numbers should GirlA stay on? If there is more than one player behind, what range of numbers is best to stay on?

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If I understand the rules, $A$ wins if two conditions hold: (1) Her combined results add up to no more than 100; and (2) if her total is valid, it still must be higher than the various totals of all the following contestants (provided their totals are also valid). Is that right? – Théophile Jul 11 '14 at 19:56
Yes. Also assume that if there is a tie then the first person to have the number that is tied wins. – mathewbruens Jul 11 '14 at 20:04
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I'll look at the two player version, although IIRC the TV show was for three players. Also, instead of the values being 5 to 100 in steps of 5, WLOG just consider the wheel to be 1 to 20.

Well I believe the first thing to figure out is, if player one retires with value $x$, what is probably that player two wins? He can get either more than $x$ on his first roll, or with two rolls:

  • hit $y$ on the first roll
  • hit more than $x - y$ but no more than $20 - y$ on the second roll

The chance of second player Winning in one roll is then

$$\sum_{y=x+1}^{20}\frac{1}{20} = \frac{20 - x}{20}$$

and winning in two rolls is

$$\sum_{y=1}^x\overbrace{\frac{1}{20}}^\text{Chance of hitting y} \times \underbrace{\sum_{z=x - y + 1}^{20-y}\frac{1}{20}}_\text{Chance of hitting a winning second roll}$$

$$=\frac{1}{20\times 20}\sum_{y=1}^x \sum_{z=x - y + 1}^{20-y} 1$$

$$=\frac{1}{20\times 20}\sum_{y=1}^x 20 - x$$

$$=\frac{20x - x^2}{20\times 20}$$

So if player 1 retires with $x$, then the chance that player two wins is $p_2(x) = \frac{20 - x}{20} + \frac{20x - x^2}{20\times 20} = \boxed{1 - \frac{x^2}{400}}$

Ok so now we have to answer the second part: if you are player 1, and you roll $x$, should you reroll? For this you calculate the chance of winning if you reroll, and the chance of winning if you won't reroll, and choose which one is larger.

If you reroll, in order to win:

  • roll value $z$ between $1$ and $20 - x$ inclusive
  • player 2 must lose with player 1 retiring on $x + z$

$$\begin{align} \text{reroll win chance} &= \sum_{z = 1}^{20 - x} \frac{1}{20} (1 - p_2(x + z)) \\ &= \frac{1}{20} \sum_{z = 1}^{20 - x} \frac{(x+z)^2}{400} \\ &= \frac{1}{20^3} \sum_{z = 1}^{20 - x} x^2+2xz +z^2 \\ &= \frac{1}{20^3} \left((20-x)x^2+2x\frac{(20 - x)^2 + (20 - x)}{2} +\frac{(20-x)((20-x)+1)(2(20-x)+1)}{6} \right)\\ &= \frac{17220 - x - 3x^2 -2x^3}{48000} \end{align}$$

If you don't reroll, the chance of your winning is $1 - p_2(x) =\frac{x^2}{400}$.

So summarized:

$$ \newcommand{\cent}{{\mathrm{c}\mkern-6.5mu{\mid}}} \begin{array} {|c|c|c|} \text{Player 1 first roll} & \text{Winning chance if reroll} & \text{Winning chance if stay} \\ 5 \cent & 0.358625 & 0.0025 \\ 10 \cent & 0.358125& 0.01 \\ 15 \cent & 0.357 & 0.0225 \\ 20 \cent & 0.355 & 0.04 \\ 25 \cent & 0.351875& 0.0625 \\ 30 \cent & 0.347375& 0.09 \\ 35 \cent & 0.34125 & 0.1225 \\ 40 \cent & 0.33325 & 0.16 \\ 45 \cent & 0.323125& 0.2025 \\ 50 \cent & 0.310625& 0.25 \\ \hline 55 \cent & 0.2955 & 0.3025 \\ 60 \cent & 0.2775 & 0.36 \\ 65 \cent & 0.256375& 0.4225 \\ 70 \cent & 0.231875& 0.49 \\ \hline 75 \cent & 0.20375 & 0.5625 \\ 80 \cent & 0.17175 & 0.64 \\ 85 \cent & 0.135625& 0.7225 \\ 90 \cent & 0.095125& 0.81 \\ 95 \cent & 0.05 & 0.9025 \\ 100 \cent & 0 & 1 \end{array}$$

So player 1 should reroll if he gets anything less than $x=11$ or 55 cents. But unless he gets at least 75 cents, he's probably going to lose anyway. That's a pretty unfair game, player 1 only has a ${6 \over 20}$ chance of winning overall.

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Long story short: She should not roll again.

Supposing Girl A does not spin again, we have the following possibilities.

Case 1: It is clear that there is an $\frac{8}{20}=\frac{2}{5}=40$% chance that Girl B rolls (strictly) higher than 60 (in which case, Girl B wins). In this case, Girl B holds (and presumably wins).

Case 2: Girl B rolls less than or equal to 60. This outcome is $60$% likely. Then, Girl B must roll again to beat girl A. Note that if Girl B rolls a $5n$ on her first attempt, where $n\in \{1,...,12\}$, the probability of her rolling "over" is $5n$%. What Girl B needs to roll enough so that her score is greater than 60 (and not exceeding 100) is $\{60-5(n-1),...,100-5n\}$. This occurs $\frac{8}{20}=40$% of the time.

Putting all of this together, if Girl A remains at 60, then Girl B has a $.4+.6\cdot.4 =.4+.24=.64=64$% chance of getting a higher score than Girl A.

Now, if Girl A decides to roll again, she has a $60$% of rolling over (or losing right away). Given this new score, say $5m$ (that is not a roll over), we have that Girl B can either win on her first roll or roll again. Note that $m\in \{13,...,20\}$.

Case 1: Girl B rolls greater than Girl A (in the case where $m\neq 20$) we have this is $100-5m$%.

Case 2: Girl B rolls less than or equal to than Girl A. This has probability $5m$%. Suppose that Girl B rolls $5t$. Then, the probability that Girl B, on her second turn, gets higher than Girl A, but not rolling over, we have $\{5m-5(t-1),...,100-5t\}$.

Now, we need to put these together to arrive at our final answer: The probability of Girl A not rolling over and Girl B beating her is $(.4)(\sum_{i=1}^8(.1)(\frac{8-i}{20}))=(.4)(\frac{7}{50})=(.4).14=0.056$. Therefore, the probability of Girl A losing is $.6+0.056=.656=65.6$%.

In conclusion, Girl A is in a very tough position. There is a $65.6$% chance of her losing if she rolls again and only a $64$% chance of losing if she chooses to not roll. Therefore, it's very close, but she shouldn't roll again.

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I made a python function to test this problem.I will put the code at the bottom and you may test it at this site.

Please note that I used a 1 to 100 system rather than a 1 to 20 system.

Scroll to bottom for conclusion

I found that when the first number that is spun gets to 50 the odds of you winning and losing are approximately equal.

However, as the number you first spin gets higher, the average amount you gain drops.

Here are 3 test each with 100,000 spins.(Please note these are just approximations)

When the number you have spun on your first spin is 40.

Average gain:30.46

When the number you have spun on your first spin is 50.

Average gain:25.505

When the number you have spun on your first spin is 60.

Average gain:20.466727277318988

As you can see, every time the number we spun at first is increased by 10, the average amount gained goes down by 5.

The obvious conclusion is that if you rolled a 60, you should definitely not spin again. The highest roll were the odds would be in your favor would be a 45.

from random import randint

def test(spin):
    for i in range(tests):
        if new>100:

    return ("Wins:"+str(w)+"\nLosses:"+str(l)+"\nAverage gain:"+str(gain/wins))

#Set This equal to the number the person spun first

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There is actually a published paper about that question:

"To Spin or Not To Spin? Natural and Laboratory Experiments from The Price is Right", Rafael Tenorio and Timothy N. Cason, The Economic Journal, 2002.

Your question is answered in proposition 1:

Should girlA roll again?


At what number is the expected value neutral / what range of numbers should girlA stay on?

At 50 she is indifferent and for >50 she should stay.

If there is more than one player behind, what range of numbers is best to stay on?

For 3 they show that 65 is the number to stay on, for a higher number of players? No idea (and it is not really easy to derive as you have to recalculate the strategies of everyone else).

Btw: They state that Contestant 1 wins 30.82% of the time, Contestant 2 wins 32.96% of the time, and Contestant 3 wins 36.22% of the time.

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More on this problem in the paper P.Coe and W. Butterworth, Optimal stopping in the showcase showdown, American Statistician, 49, 1995, p. 271-275. The problem and variants are also extensively discussed in the book Understanding Probability by Henk Tijms

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