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Can you suggest some useful things we can do with higher order derivatives?

A fellow student in my Calculus and Analytic Geometry I class asked what some applications of higher order (e.g., ( $y^{(n)}$, $n\geq 4$) ) derivatives might be. Our instructor (masters level faculty) did not know of one. It's got me curious...

This question doesn't require a rigorous example, just illustrative concept(s).


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Please note that $y^n$ means the $n$th power of $n$. To denote the $n$th derivative of $n$, one usually uses $y^{(n)}$. –  Arturo Magidin Oct 11 '11 at 4:39
Thanks, I meant to do that. It's my first time to use the y^(n) notation. I just learned it today! –  FreeTrader Oct 11 '11 at 4:42
For the case of some sequences, you can treat them as the values of the derivatives of the generating function of the sequence. –  Guess who it is. Oct 11 '11 at 4:45
You might be interested in this question as well. –  Guess who it is. Oct 11 '11 at 4:46

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If $y(t)$ denotes the position at time $t$, then:

  • The first derivative, $y'(t)$, denotes velocity at time $t$.
  • The second derivative, $y''(t)$, denotes acceleration at time $t$.
  • The third derivative, $y'''(t)$, denotes the jerk or jolt at time $t$, an important quantity in engineering and motion control
  • The fourth derivative, $y^{(4)}(t)$, denotes the jounce at time $t$; the jounce is also used in studying motion, and in studying the cosmological equation of state.

Fifth and sixth derivatives of position are also important in some applications/theoretical physics studies, but they have no universally accepted name.

You can also see this article from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences discussing the use of the fifth derivative and curve fitting to do DNA analysis and population matching.

And higher derivatives are also used for approximating functions using Taylor polynomials, which can be useful when a certain amount of precision is required.

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I've heard 4th, 5th, and 6th derivatives called "snap", "crackle", and "pop". –  Mark Eichenlaub Oct 11 '11 at 13:51

The Euler-Bernoulli equation, which describes the relationship between a beam's deflection and the applied load, involves a 4th derivative.

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For an everyday answer instead of a mathematical formula: when you drive a car, the position of the steering wheel and of the gas pedal determine the acceleration of the car as a whole (that is, the second derivative of the car's position). Therefore when either the steering wheel or the gas pedal undergoes acceleration, that acceleration translates into the fourth derivative of the car's position.

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Sometimes we would like to to get a rough sketch of a function around some point $x=a$, but the function is very "flat" at that point - after we work out the first few derivatives we get $ f(a) = f'(a) =f''(a) = f^{(3)}(a) = f^{ (4)}(a) = 0 $, which means that, assuming finally $ f^{(5)} \neq 0 $, the function behaves like $$ \frac{ f^{(5)}(a)}{5!} (x-a)^5 $$

near that point. Hence if the $5$-th derivative is positive at $a$, the shape is approximately like that of $x^5$ at the origin, and if the derivative is negative then the shape is like that of $-x^5$ at the origin.

One example I can think of when this arises is in the study of the stability of equilibrium points of differential equations. The stablity of the equilibria is determined by the behaviour near $x=a$, which is partly determined by the sign of the first non-zero derivative evaluated at the equilibrium point.

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Answer #8 said:

The third derivative, y′′′(t), denotes the jerk or jolt at time t, an important quantity in engineering and motion control

Keep in mind that motion control machines are controlled by difference equations that can only roughly approximate y(t), y'(t), y''(t), and y'''(t). But then this is true of any application that connects various orders of derivative to causal processes that interface to the real world.

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