# A variational problem with a lagrangian , what is the lagrangian?

given the 2 PDE

$$\Delta u-au_{tt}+u_{t}=0$$

and $$\Delta u + Du*Df=0$$

here $\Delta u$ is the Laplacian $Du= grad(u)$ is the gradient and * means scalar product $u_{t} = \frac{\partial u}{\partial t}$

my doubt is what term should i include to get the linear part of the equations $u_{t}$ and $Du*Df$ from the Euler Lagrange equations in $R^{n}$ thanks

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## migrated from mathoverflow.netFeb 22 at 3:29

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Well, for the second case, the Lagrangian you want is $$\Lambda_D(u) = \tfrac12 \int_D\ e^{f(x)}\ |\nabla u|^2\ \mathrm{d}x$$ where $D$ is an appropriate domain in $\mathbb{R}^n$. The first case is similar (if you are assuming that $a$ is a constant), for then, it will just be $$\Lambda_D(u) = \tfrac12 \int_{D'}\ e^{t}\ \bigl(|\nabla u|^2-a|u_t|^2\bigr)\ \mathrm{d}x\mathrm{d}t$$ where $D'$ is an appropriate domain in $\mathbb{R}^n\times \mathbb{R}$. If $a$ is not a constant, there are conditions.

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thank you RObert :D wehn i have enoguht poitn to vote i will give you a point thanks again –  Jose Garcia Feb 18 at 20:54
shouldn't this be the term $e^{f(x)}$ instead ?= in both cases ?? –  Jose Garcia Feb 18 at 20:57
Yes, you are right. I fixed the sign a few moments ago. –  Robert Bryant Feb 18 at 20:58

Here we will assume that the definition of the Laplacian is $\Delta=\vec{\nabla}^2$, and that $a$ is a non-zero constant.

I) The Lagrangian density

$$\tag{1a} {\cal L}_1~=~ \frac{e^{-t/a}}{2}\left(a\dot{u}^2 - (\vec{\nabla} u)^2\right)$$

$$0~\stackrel{(1a)}{=}~\frac{\partial {\cal L}_1}{\partial u} ~\stackrel{EL}{=}~\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial {\cal L}_1}{\partial \dot{u}} +\vec{\nabla}\cdot\frac{\partial {\cal L}_1}{\partial \vec{\nabla}u}$$ $$\tag{1b} ~\stackrel{(1a)}{=}~ \frac{d}{dt}\left(e^{-t/a}a\dot{u}\right) - \vec{\nabla}\cdot \left(e^{-t/a}\vec{\nabla}u\right) ~=~e^{-t/a}\left(a\ddot{u}-\dot{u}-\Delta u\right)$$

equal to OP's first PDE

$$\tag{1c} a\ddot{u}-\dot{u}-\Delta u~\stackrel{(1b)}{=}~0.$$

II) The Lagrangian density

$$\tag{2a} {\cal L}_2~=~ \frac{e^f}{2} (\vec{\nabla} u)^2$$

has Euler-Lagrange equation

$$0~\stackrel{(2a)}{=}~\frac{\partial {\cal L}_2}{\partial u} ~\stackrel{EL}{=}~\vec{\nabla}\cdot\frac{\partial {\cal L}_2}{\partial \vec{\nabla}u}$$ $$\tag{2b}~\stackrel{(2a)}{=}~\vec{\nabla}\cdot \left(e^f\vec{\nabla}u\right) ~=~e^f\left(\Delta u +\vec{\nabla}f \cdot \vec{\nabla}u\right)$$

equal to OP's second PDE

$$\tag{2c} \Delta u +\vec{\nabla}f \cdot \vec{\nabla}u~\stackrel{(2b)}{=}~0.$$

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THANKS a lot could yuou help me with other problems i have about variatonal calculus :D i must prove 20 exercises but i have only solved 4 :D –  Jose Garcia Mar 15 at 20:44