Mathematics Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for people studying math at any level and professionals in related fields. Join them; it only takes a minute:

Sign up
Here's how it works:
  1. Anybody can ask a question
  2. Anybody can answer
  3. The best answers are voted up and rise to the top

My supervisor and I recently had a long chat about PhD related stuff. He said something to the extent that your chances of employment after finishing your PhD among other factors depends on the topic of your PhD. The reason he mentioned was that for certain fields there aren't that many open positions. He mentioned that there are many open positions in the fields of Algebraic Geometry and also in Number Theory.

(I will enumerate the questions to make it easier to answer)

The following are my questions:

(1) Now I am wondering are there any other fields where research is comparably active? Concretely, what are the top topic in pure maths apart from AG and number theory that are "in"?

(answer below does not address this question)

(2) And in particular: are differential geometry and differential topology among them?

(answer below does not address this question either)

(3) And which are the fields with the least open positions for lecturers?

(answer below does not address this question either)

I am passionate about more than one field hence I would like to choose the optimal topic from among the topics I am passionate about. I am prepared to move to just about anywhere. To make answers more precise and useful for others too maybe you could include geographical information in your answer.

share|cite|improve this question

closed as too broad by Najib Idrissi, ᴡᴏʀᴅs, Przemysław Scherwentke, quid, Jonas Meyer Mar 22 '15 at 16:42

There are either too many possible answers, or good answers would be too long for this format. Please add details to narrow the answer set or to isolate an issue that can be answered in a few paragraphs.If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.

I think the answer depends on country where you reside. – user63181 Apr 12 '13 at 8:12
I am looking for a Postdoc at the moment. Let me tell you: the pickings are slim! – user1729 Apr 12 '13 at 9:01
@SamiBenRomdhane: Academics dream of working in their native continent - they dare not dream of working in their native country, for such a dream so rarely comes true...... – user1729 Apr 12 '13 at 9:03
Questions like this one are asked and answered on Academia regularly. You may want to browse the questions there for more input on this topic. – Ben Norris Apr 12 '13 at 10:59
@user1729: Slim Pickens is slim! Yeee-hawwww! – Asaf Karagila Apr 12 '13 at 12:03
up vote 17 down vote accepted

I will not tell you the answer to any of your questions, since I do not feel comfortable drawing conclusions in broad strokes from the data available to me. But I'll show you some data, and tell you how to find some more, so you can make up your mind for yourself.

The American Mathematical Society produces an Annual Survey of mathematical sciences, and among it contains information on the fields of studies of new doctoral recipients and their hiring statistics. If you go to this page you will find "Supplemental Table E.3" showing last year's employment statistics of new PhDs by field of specialty. From there you see that

  • Applied maths is much more employed over all, with specifically biostatistics/statistics leading the field, this undoubtedly having to do with its industry applications.
  • Of the traditional pure maths, the most popular is grouped under "Algebra/number theory", and in second place is "geometry/topology" (good for you!).
  • You also see that pretty much across the board for the pure fields, around 10% of the students were still seeking employment at the time of the survey.

(This last point actually brings up something interesting: while your advisor is right that certain fields are more popular than others in terms of having more research interest and more jobs available, be aware that this also means that those fields usually have more people competing for those jobs. On average you are much better off trying to find a subject you enjoy and are good at, instead of finding a subject that has more absolute number of jobs. This is sort of the standard advice that you would get everywhere.)

(I am also slightly surprised to see that the statistics have not improved since the economic bubble of 2008; for the more applied fields it seems the situation has slightly improved, though this is drawing on just 4 data points.)

In addition to the AMS data, an imperfect proxy for research interest is the number of arXiv postings per period of time. Of course you will need to adjust by typical length of paper, and other field-dependent cultural aspects to make the numbers really meaningful.

For employment availability, however, a simple way is to browse through the job postings at MathJobs. I do not know if there is a way to quickly filter by fields and such, but at worst you just have to read through every single job posting and categorize them yourself.

share|cite|improve this answer
Biostatistics - forgot about that one. Very popular option right now, I see lots of movement there in academia. – Ron Gordon Apr 12 '13 at 9:37

If I have any advice for pursuing your Ph.D., choose something about which you are passionate and will maintain that passion over a period of 3-5 years. If being employed after you finish is the main concern, keep this in mind: your success in your work will depend on your ability to learn new things, to finish small projects, to keep your verbal and written commitments, and to communicate with your colleagues.

I really feel that, while your field of expertise is important, you will be best served by working at something that your truly enjoy and will succeed at doing. I have seen too many Ph.D. prospects flounder because such prospects treated their Ph.D. as a professional program . Such people largely end up miserable because a Ph.D. takes too much time and dedication to treat as a hurdle in the way of your career development. Rather, it is an opportunity to pursue something about which you simply want to do for its own sake, because you love doing it. If you are lucky enough to find the right combination of research opportunity and compatible advisor, then the career success will come by itself.

That all said, there is certainly a variation in opportunities over subfields. I am not a professional mathematician and therefore do not have a feel for which positions currently have the best/worst opportunities for lecturing. As far as which subfields in pure math are the "hottest," keep in mind that some of the heat is driven by non-academic considerations. Many mathematicians I know who are not in academia pursue computational geometry (believe it or not, but there are quite a few opportunities in semiconductors and electronics) and number theory (network security). Lecturing opportunities in these fields are likely the best because of the employment demand (which goes against what I said above, sadly). I am in the United States, so there may be different opportunities in other countries.

It sounds like you are interested in differential geometry and topology. Your advisor is correct: there are few positions in academia. But as I said above, if you focus on what you really want to do in graduate school and publish great work and make a name for yourself, you will find that, if you have geographical flexibility, you will find good work post-graduation.

share|cite|improve this answer
On reading your answer your second time it contains no helpful or useful information pertaining to my question. I apologise as I am about to downvote. Feel free to edit and I will gladly remove the down vote. – tom b. Apr 12 '13 at 8:44
@tomb.: I am sorry if the answer is not what you had in mind. I am not a professional mathematician and do not have access to employment statistics for various subfields in mathematics. I do, however, have experience in getting a Ph.D. in a technical field, as well as in getting and keeping jobs and hiring Ph.D.'s. I am in close contact with lecturers and professors with whom I studied and I feel my advice is relevant to your question, rather than being a "disaster of an entirely unhelpful answer." Perhaps if you had a more open mind and were less rude, you might find more advice coming. – Ron Gordon Apr 12 '13 at 8:52
@tomb. you have a small time window to revert your vote to prevent accidental misclicks. The system is not designed to handle situations where a user votes before actually carefully reading the answers. Take it as a lesson learned and be more careful with your votes in the future. – Willie Wong Apr 12 '13 at 8:53
@tomb. Are you serious?! – Cocopuffs Apr 12 '13 at 9:10
@tomb.: Calling my answer a "disaster" is not exactly diplomatic. How was it a disaster? Did I mislead you, or injure you? Was I rude? You could have told me simply that I didn't really answer your question, and could I please elaborate on this or that point. Look, I am not angry and am happy to help you; I am here because I love being here. But, as I said, effective communication is a key component to being a successful mathematician (or physicist, engineer, etc.), so reflect on what you write before clicking "add." I wish you only the very best of luck and success. – Ron Gordon Apr 12 '13 at 9:13

My advisor told me, twice, before accepting me (although he said that it is just to keep him with a clear conscience) that it is very hard to find a position with a Ph.D. in set theory today, and he remarked that my interest in the extremely pathological properties of models without the axiom of choice would make it even harder.

He added that if you're really good then you won't have an actual problem, but it's difficult to be that good. I am aware of the problems set theorists have in finding a position, especially in Israel nowadays where set theory is in decline.

You need to consider two things, I believe:

  1. Are you willing to move to another country? Or do you want to go back to your home land, or even home town? Perhaps to your current university? If you are willing to uproot it might be easier to find positions in your preferred topic.

  2. How good do you think you can write about a topic you are less passionate about? I am currently in the midst of choosing the exact questions I will work on in my dissertation, but the process began with my advisor and me compiling a list of five possible topics, and a sixth one which I told him I may be interested in working on (as a topic that did not come up in the conversation).

    Regardless to the fact that all the topics we discussed about are very interesting to me, I kept drifting back to my own idea, and after a long period of two months where I was trying to fight it I gave in and decided that I really have to pursue the things I want to pursue, or else I will give up in the middle of the work.

    Of course, understanding all the things I want to understand I am bound to work on the other topics we had originally discussed, but my aim is solve another problem, and that's fine.

share|cite|improve this answer
The first two paragraphs are very much in the direction of what I am asking for. Although set theory is not among the things I'm passionate about it is useful to know that set theory is not as high in demand as AG and number theory. – tom b. Apr 12 '13 at 9:01
@tom: The topic is irrelevant. And I don't know how it's useful to know that set theory is in less demand than AG... – Asaf Karagila Apr 12 '13 at 10:45
+1: Thanks for sharing this bit of background. Your interest in set theory and the axiom of choice definitely shows up here... – A.P. Apr 12 '13 at 12:38

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.