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Let $a>b>c>d$ be positive integers and suppose that $${a^2+ac-c^2=b^2+bd-d^2}$$

Prove that $ab+cd$ is not prime? I don't know if this problem is true.

I found that this same problem has also been posted on AOPS.

But I can't prove this problem. Can anyone help me?

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    $\begingroup$ Why complex-numbers ? $\endgroup$ Mar 27, 2013 at 6:04
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    $\begingroup$ Your version does not match the problem on AOPS which you refer to. $\endgroup$
    – coffeemath
    Mar 27, 2013 at 6:31
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    $\begingroup$ That's supposed to be $ac+bd=(b+d+a-c)(b+d-a+c)\implies {a^2-ac+c^2=b^2+bd+d^2}$ $\endgroup$
    – Inceptio
    Mar 27, 2013 at 6:36
  • $\begingroup$ @nikita2: Complex numbers can be used. $\endgroup$
    – Inceptio
    Mar 27, 2013 at 6:43
  • $\begingroup$ @Math110: I have edited the question. Have a look if I have made some error in that. And make sure of answering your own question if you're done with that. Community appreciates that.:) $\endgroup$
    – Inceptio
    Mar 27, 2013 at 13:59

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Rewrite as:

$$a^2-b^2+ac-bc=bd-bc+c^2-d^2$$ $$(a-b)(a+b+c)=(c-d)(c+d-b)$$

Since $a>b>c>d$, each of $a-b, a+b+c, c-d, c+d-b$ is positive. By factoring lemma (excerpted below) there exists $w, x, y, z \in \mathbb{Z}^+$ s.t.

$$a-b=wx, a+b+c=yz, c-d=wy, c+d-b=xz$$

Solving for $a, b, c, d$, we get:

\begin{align} 5a=3wx+2yz-wy-xz \\ 5b=-2wx+2yz-wy-xz \\ 5c=-wx+yz+2wy+2xz \\ 5d=-wx+yz-3wy+2xz \end{align}

Thus:

\begin{align} & 25(ab+cd) \\ & =(3wx+2yz-wy-xz)(-2wx+2yz-wy-xz) \\ & +(-wx+yz+2wy+2xz)(-wx+yz-3wy+2xz) \\ & =5(z^2-wz-w^2)(x^2+y^2) \end{align}

$$5(ab+cd)=(z^2-wz-w^2)(x^2+y^2)$$

Since $b>c$,

$$-2wx+2yz-wy-xz=5b>5c=-wx+yz+2wy+2xz$$ $$yz>wx+3wy+3xz$$

In particular, $yz>wx+3wy+3xz>3xz$ implies $y>3x$ and $yz>wx+3wy+3xz>3wy$ implies $z>3w$.

Thus $$x^2+y^2>x^2+9x^2>5$$ $$z^2-wz-w^2=(z-\frac{w}{2})^2-\frac{5w^2}{4}>(3w-\frac{w}{2})^2-\frac{5w^2}{4}=5w^2 \geq 5$$

If $ab+cd$ is a prime, then $ab+cd \geq 4(3)+2(1)>5$, then $5(ab+cd)=(z^2-wz-w^2)(x^2+y^2)$ implies that $ab+cd$ divides exactly 1 of $z^2-wz-w^2$ and $x^2+y^2$. However, the term not divisible by $ab+cd$ must necessarily divide $5$, and thus be $\leq 5$. Since both $z^2-wz-w^2>5$ and $x^2+y^2>5$, we obtain a contradiction.

Therefore $ab+cd$ is not prime.


Below is the linked "factoring lemma".

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  • $\begingroup$ oh,It's very nice!Thank you very much. $\endgroup$
    – math110
    Mar 28, 2013 at 4:27
  • $\begingroup$ That was good. +1 $\endgroup$
    – Inceptio
    Mar 28, 2013 at 5:59
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    $\begingroup$ @Ivan Loh a small typo in the line above "Since b>c" :) $\endgroup$ Mar 29, 2013 at 23:51
  • $\begingroup$ @VincentTjeng Fixed. $\endgroup$
    – Ivan Loh
    Mar 30, 2013 at 8:17
  • $\begingroup$ is there any other way to solve given problem because in your solution it quite tedious too solve those four equation to get value of $a,b,c,d$ Also link provided by you is not working $\endgroup$
    – mathophile
    May 29, 2021 at 11:32
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The key observation is:

$$ (ac-bd) ( a^2 + ac - c^2) = (ab+cd) ( bc - ad). $$

This can be shown by expanding the LHS as $(ac)(b^2+bd-d^2) - (bd) (a^2 + ac - c^2)$, noticing that $abcd$ cancels out, and factoring.

Proof by contradiction. Suppose $ab+cd$ is prime.

  • Because $ac-bd > 0, a^2+ac-c^2 > 0, ab+cd > 0,$ hence we can conclude that $bc-ad > 0$.
  • Since $0 < ac - bd < ab + cd$, so $\gcd(ac-bd, ab+cd) = 1$, hence $ ac-bd \mid bc-ad$.
  • This implies that $ ac-bd \leq bc-ad$.
  • However, $(a-b)(c+d) > 0 \Leftrightarrow ac - bd > bc - ad $.

We have a contradiction, so $ ab+cd$ is not prime.


Notes

I came up with the key observation because I was working on similar problems like

  1. IMO 2001/6,
  2. If $a^2+ab+b^2 = c^2 + cd+d^2$, then $a+b+c+d$ is not prime, and
  3. If $ a>b>c >d > 0 $ such that $a^2-ab+b^2 = c^2 - cd + d^2 $ then $ ab+cd $ is not prime.

In all of them, there's an approach that similarly finds a nice algebraic expression involving the variables, then argues about primality.

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