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Find a nonabelian subgroup of order $10$ in $D_{15}$.

I know that I have to show that it has a reflection. How could I prove that if the subgroup contains all rotations, it wouldn't be a subgroup?

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There is something odd about the phrasing of this question. A subgroup is never empty, and in this case it even has to have a specified order, so mentioning non-empty seems strange. – Tobias Kildetoft Jan 29 '13 at 20:55
@BabakSorouh The notation varies. Sometimes, the index is the order, sometimes half the order (the degree as a permutation group in the natural way). – Tobias Kildetoft Jan 29 '13 at 21:00
@BabakSorouh in my text it translates to having order 30 – user5208 Jan 29 '13 at 21:01
@NickKidman Groups don't have idempotent elements. – Tobias Kildetoft Jan 29 '13 at 21:10
I can't believe people haven't agreed on $D_n$ instead of $D_{2n}$. We don't call the symmetric groups $S_1$, $S_2$, $S_6$, $S_{24}$, etc. /rant – orlandpm Jan 29 '13 at 21:14
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We are working on $$D_{2\times 15}=\langle \alpha,\beta\mid\alpha^{15}=\beta^2=(\alpha\beta)^2=1\rangle$$ We can also consider $\alpha,\beta$ as follows:

$$\alpha=(1,2,...15),~\beta=\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 2 & 3 & 4& ~...~14& 15\\ 1 & 15 & 14 & 13& ~...~3& 2\\ \end{pmatrix}$$

Clearly the only power of $\alpha$ of order $5$ is $\alpha^3$. Now set $H=\langle\alpha^3\rangle$. Using the relation of the group we can show that $H$ is a normal subgroup. NOe we take $H\langle\beta\rangle$.

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$D_{15}$ is the symmetries of a regular 15-gon. "Extend" a regular pentagon in Euclidean plane to a regular 15-gon so that any symmetry of the pentagon is in $D_{15}$. So, $D_{15}$ contains a copy of $D_5$.

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$D_{15} = \left<a,b | a^{15}=1, b^2=1, bab=a^{-1} \right>$

Consider the subgroup generated by $a^3$ and $b$.

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