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In geometry, what is a point? I have seen Euclid's definition and definitions in some text books. Nowhere have I found a complete notion. And then I made a definition out from everything that I know regarding maths. Now, I need to know what I know is correct or not. One book said, if we make a dot on a paper, it is a model for a point. Another said it has no size. Another said, everybody knows what it is.Another said, if placed one after another makes a straight line.Another said, dimensionless.Another said, can not be seen by any means.

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It would help if you provided your definition... – anorton Jan 25 at 19:18
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A point is undefined almost always in geometry - it is considered an axiomatic object, like a natural number. You can explain what you want a point to represent, but what it "is" is an abstract concept with no definition other than the properties we assert for it in our axioms. – Thomas Andrews Jan 25 at 19:19
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@ReeksMaths: What is wrong with MathWorld's definition? Regards – Amzoti Jan 25 at 19:20
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If he knew the definition, it'd miss the point. – Mahmud Jan 25 at 19:36
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ReekMaths: Relax, @Mahmud is allowed to make jokes in the comments. Especially if they are... to the point. – Rahul Narain Jan 26 at 7:20
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Point, in Euclidean geometry, is an undefined notion.

We do not define what a point is, only what properties points must have, and these properties are completely specified by the axioms. This is certainly a modern view of mathematics, and differs from the approach in Euclid's times. Euclid defines point, but the definition is vague, and it is never used anyway.

The modern view can be seen in Hilbert's book "Foundations of geometry", where a modern treatment of geometry is given, with emphasis on the axiomatic approach. To see the extent to which we do not care about what a point could possibly be, see this question, on a famous quote by Hilbert stating that "One must be able to say at all times -- instead of points, straight lines, and planes -- tables, chairs, and beer mugs".

Of course, we usually want to work with very concrete "models" of the axioms, the most famous being the Cartesian plane. In this model, the plane is just $\mathbb R\times\mathbb R$, and we identify a point with an element of this set, that is, an ordered pair $(x,y)$.

Also, there are several (equivalent) ways of axiomatizing geometry, so details of what "basic properties" we assume as a priori will vary depending on what concrete axiomatization or specific model of the axioms one has in mind or is working with.

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A nice book on the axiomatics of geometry and the history behind (in particular, the attempts to "prove" the fifth postulate) is "Higher Geometry, by Efimov. Unfortunately, it seems to be somewhat difficult to find this book nowadays. – Andres Caicedo Jan 25 at 21:26
Well Amazon certainly has 3 used copies now. – Mahmud Jan 26 at 2:26

We can't always define everything or prove all facts. When we define something we are describing it according to other well-known objects, so if we don't accept anything as obvious things, we can not define anything too! This is same for proving arguments and facts, if we don't accept somethings as Axioms like "ZFC" axioms or some else, then we can't speak about proving other facts. About your question, I should say that you want to define "point" according to which objects? If you don't get it obvious you should find other objects you know that can describe "point"!

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Hint: every ordered pair, like $(a,b)$ in plane, determine one point in a coordinate system where $a$ is place in x-axis and $b$ is place in y-axis. Assume $(a,b)$ is an ordered pair. We define it $(a,b) := \{a,\{a,b\} \}$.

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A point is an ordered pair of points? – ex0du5 Jan 26 at 6:09
You assume that $(a,b)$ is an ordered pair and then you defined it? – Thomas Jan 26 at 16:24
i find this definition in my text book at first assume that(a,b) is an ordered pair and then defined point – Maisam Hedyelloo Jan 26 at 18:03

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