# Derivative of cross-product of two vectors

In finding the derivative of the cross product of two vectors $\frac{d}{dt}[\vec{u(t)}\times \vec{v(t)}]$, is it possible to find the cross-product of the two vectors first before differentiating?

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You can evaluate this expression in two ways:

• You can find the cross product first, and then differentiate it.
• Or you can use the product rule, which works just fine with the cross product:

$$\frac{d}{dt}(\mathbf{u} \times \mathbf{v}) = \frac{d\mathbf{u}}{dt} \times \mathbf{v} + \mathbf{u} \times \frac{d\mathbf{v}}{dt}$$

Picking a method depends on the problem at hand. For example, the product rule is used to derive Frenet Serret formulas.

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But using the product rule, if I understand correctly, would require me to differentiate like this, right?: $\vec{u'(t)}\times\vec{v(t)} + \vec{u(t)}\times\vec{v'(t)}$ –  Dylan May 25 '12 at 20:57
@Dylan: That's the RHS side, yes. The LHS is already 'finding the cross-product before differentiating'... –  anon May 25 '12 at 20:58
My question was, is it similar to the case with differentiating dot-product, can't you just take the determinate form of the inside before differentiating? –  Dylan May 25 '12 at 20:58
Whether it's easier or not will depend on the particular problem. For example, you might know something about $u'$ and $v'$ that makes the problem easy. –  Robert Israel May 25 '12 at 21:00
@Ayman Thanks. Using the first method seems to involve a lot more differentiation, whereas the latter method seems much simpler to me. –  Dylan May 25 '12 at 21:01

Working from the first principles: \begin{aligned}\vec{u}\left(t+\delta t\right)\times\vec{v}\left(t+\delta t\right)-\vec{u}\left(t\right)\times\vec{v}\left(t\right) & =\vec{u}\left(t+\delta t\right)\times\vec{v}\left(t+\delta t\right)-\vec{u}\left(t\right)\times\vec{v}\left(t+\delta t\right)+\\ & =\vec{u}\left(t\right)\times\vec{v}\left(t+\delta t\right)-\vec{u}\left(t\right)\times\vec{v}\left(t\right)=\\ & =\left[\vec{u}\left(t+\delta t\right)-\vec{u}\left(t\right)\right]\times\vec{v}\left(t+\delta t\right)+\\ & =\vec{u}\left(t\right)\times\left[\vec{v}\left(t+\delta t\right)-\vec{v}\left(t\right)\right] \end{aligned} Now divide by $\delta t$ and take limit as $\delta t\to 0$

On the other hand $$\frac{d}{dt}\left|\begin{array}{ccc} i & j & k\\ v_{x} & v_{y} & v_{z}\\ u_{x} & u_{y} & u_{z} \end{array}\right|=\left|\begin{array}{ccc} i & j & k\\ \frac{dv_{x}}{dt} & \frac{dv_{y}}{dt} & \frac{dv_{z}}{dt}\\ u_{x} & u_{y} & u_{z} \end{array}\right|+\left|\begin{array}{ccc} i & j & k\\ v_{x} & v_{y} & v_{z}\\ \frac{du_{x}}{dt} & \frac{du_{y}}{dt} & \frac{du_{z}}{dt} \end{array}\right|$$ Using the rule of differentiation of a determinant. One useful application of it is in the proof of Abel's identity (which before Wikipedia was known to me as Ostrogradski-Liouville formula)

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